I don't know Larry..beammeup was clearly NOT adding anything to support "his" assertions..NOTHING..When supporter's of the "other side" come here that is OFTEN the case. Why? Well, they've got NOTHING...

Once Ms Lilly was banned, and then onsetdud..they like to feel like they came over here (albeit disagreeable) and offered friendly, informative counterpoints, but I've yet to really see that. If the administrators of this (free) forum decide that "they" aren't adding anything..and want to be proactive in booting their asses..I support them, and thank them for sparing me/us more of the same BS..Go make your case elsewhere (if you can find anywhere like this)..On the one hand they "bash" this place, but good luck finding ANYPLACE that offers what this site does..Here are what I've seen of what's offered as "alternatives" to this forum..

The "new" forum..As far as I've seen about 5 people EVER post there..and I wouldn't be surprised if many of you don't even know it exists..

Courier comment area..about the closest thing to a place where "both sides" care to interact..and basically all the "players" have decided their side, and aren't budging, regardless of the points made by either.

Bobo's "pay to play" Sunday chat..C'mon..not even in the mix..NOBODY here cares to give him a cent..it only happens on Sunday..and (I've read it)..they're all confirmed Bobo devotee's on there..NOTHING ANYONE says here is given ANY credibility ("we" all have some devious hidden purposes for doing what we do)..USELESS

My guess is "beammeup" may be a blogger I've interacted with before called "fogcutter"..if so, he can now feel he did his all out best to come here and be open minded in an effort to understand "us"..and that they were "attacked", and ultimately banned for attempting to "bring some light" to the "hateful" misinformed, corrupt bloggers here..

Hey, at least they can still read the posts here..if they're banned..more than can be said if Bobo bans you (and he has)...and over there..kiss your $$ goodbye.

P-SPAN
TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

P.S. - In two of Ham's recent jeers (which, you ask?  I don't know I lost track there have been so many and it makes me so proud!) Ham has been referred to as a "tool" and as a "straw man."

All I'm saying is there is an odor of pumpernickel and sesame seed around here.  That's all I'm saying.

As much as I dislike someone who comes in here to insult or throw backhanded compliments, they did open the door with one of their statements that needs to be addressed.

I don't remember the exact words, but it was something like "chose to throw my hat in with money" which I take as another slant towards the so called power elite.

It's interesting because not only are they wrong in how I view the the people I back, the notion that they are power elite is a simply a lack of knowledge.

It's not about money, it's about proven track record and the ability to manage a multi million dollar budget. If you were starting a business, would you hire any of the current elected officials to serve on the board or chart the direction of that business? The collective NO tells you all you need to know. Management decisions and executive level decisions need to be made by people who clearly understand the environment in which the business operates and have enough business and personnel experience to put the right people in place to execute the game plan.

It is VERY clear to me that if you stack any of our elected officials or their hires up against their records, they would be terminated for cause. That is enough for me, as an executive of a company, to "throw my hat in" with candidates that show the vision and leadership necessary to bring a new direction to our town.


SO if you want to thow backhanded statements about my education or my ability to lead or direct, you clearly haven't spent 5 minutes with me or know very little about me. I believe I am a better judge of leadership than most.

Just one last thing...It's clear that Beammeup has thrown his hat in with Bobo the Fabricator. Bobo has taken a thriving business and driven it into the ground. No office, sparse advertising dollars, and his papers are laying everywhere for free and still not being scooped up. If you want to talk to me about proven track records, you only need to look at the business model Bobo has given us and then crawl back under the rock you came out of in shame.

Now I'm off to support WFL, which DOES give money to the library and DOES adhere to the agreement crafted in the settlement! Come buy a book Beammeup, and i will sign my recipes for you!

searay240 wrote:

Why ban people from this site? If you find users that you don't agree with you can simply block their post, and you don't have to read their postings.

I honestly can say that when I signed up, I did not pay attention to any of the rules regarding postings.

If there are rules and people violate them, then they should be turned off.

Having a different opinion about an issue, in my opinion should not be a reason for banning.

I have read many comments here calling people worst things than a "tool" and they are not banned.

I think if you give them a chance to get that stuff off their chest when they first sign up, let them vent, you may find that they will open up and we can get to some middle ground on an issue.

Who gives a rip what other sites do? This site is supposed to be different and above the games.

Just my opinion!

Steve

Well Steve...... That is just pure and absolute...













common sense!!

searay240 wrote:

Having a different opinion about an issue, in my opinion should not be a reason for banning.

I have read many comments here calling people worst things than a "tool" and they are not banned.

I think if you give them a chance to get that stuff off their chest when they first sign up, let them vent, you may find that they will open up and we can get to some middle ground on an issue.

Just give them a chance to get it off their chests? This was "Jeb's" first post on 3/25/09.
Still waiting....pretty much the tone of all his posts.

Jeb wrote:

Lets see…….
With 27 posts in one thread by 5 people in 2 hours time, on a web site that proclaims to be the real purveyor of “Facts”(s) on Wareham’s politics….

A running preoccupation on how “Ragman” looks;
Various comments on the speech patterns and habits of ‘Bruce and Brenda’;
A try at Stand up comedy;
The obligatory “oh my god! first we had the clearing of the throat”;
The usual caricature assassinations ad-nausea  ;
The highly anticipated rumor push and the expected call of a conspiracy.

The main man Billw asks…

a)“Gawd damn, they actually rehearse these performances before hand?”
b)“What the fuck just happened? Did they reappoint Town Counsel?”
c)“Can they legally keep dismissing warrant articles they don't like?”


And the last question
d)“Does -anyone- here know what really transpired last night?”

FRIGGIN’ PRICELESS

A)    that would be a violation…..
B)    Yuppers….
C)    It was a discussion of Town Meeting Warrant Articles, put off as a
“courtesy” to the Fin-Com to review first. 60+ articles!!!!???
D)    You would be surprised at how many people do know the answer to
that question!  "-anyone- here know..."  That's a good one. ROTFLMAO!!!!
                    Keep 'em coming.

Take the muzzles off of your cyber pit-bulls so others may enjoy this
satirical act on the other web forums. Don't keep this talent all to your self.

https://warehamwater.cruelery.com/viewtopic.php?id=4898

It's more than bad words or having a "differing opinion on an issue"...and as I would clearly be one who has said worse than "tool"..I would hope that the difference is clear..maybe not. If someone invited you into their home for a party and a few only had interest in disruption, and rarely (if ever) brought anything to the party..and the homeowner decided to kick them out..Who am I to question why? They earned their dismissals..let 'em complain about it on the payfer "Bobo Blog"..(IMO)

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It's not that the word "tool" is all that offensive, it's that the bagel biter is the only one who calls people tools willy nilly - just a tad suspicious. 

As far as I see, no one has ever been banned for just disagreeing.  People get banned for being insulting or trying to throw a monkey wrench in the works - being a "troll" - a person who just comes on and shouts everyone down until they give up.  People stop blogging because they figure any comment they make will just incite the troll to act like an ass.  It becomes as useless as trying to get into a debate with the drunk at the end of the bar - when he's losing, he just starts shouting louder.

I do see Searay & kinsailman's point..and think the "block" feature is another good thing about this site..but as you often say kinsailman..I notice a limp..and my "enemies" are revealed...a friend will approach as such, as will a foe.
...A forgiving nature is admirable..and probably something I can work on..

...and the complete opposite sentiment of beammeup's own post earlier today..

beammeup wrote:

Most of us were taught to stand up to bullies. Turning the other cheat just gets you slapped on the other side of the face.

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TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

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Beammeup
Turning the other cheek not (cheat) BoBo can’t spell either. But turning the other cheek is not a bad thing . It does not always get you a bruise on both cheeks. Sometime your enemy comes to know that they can’t win.  We can not be turned from our path make Wareham Better for all the wealthy the poor and everyone else. We are not elite we are all the people of Wareham.

thank you searay
It is time for this site to be the place that all of Warham can come to and not be afraid to voice their thoughts. free of cost and  threat of being shot down. That is what I tought this site was all about. We agree to disagree. and move on. In a positive vain. i hope it can work . some of us will have to change our ways but that is not a bad thing if Wareham benifits from it.

Hamatron
I do not disagree with you. but if we are open and above reproch they have no way to fight back. Like turning the other cheek. we Win and they cant say we shut them off. You and I have the option to shut them offf on our own site but we win. BoBo can't say that of his site. We are free and open. not easy to do but must be done. you will learn to love it.jmo

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How about a trial period, say between now and Christmas, no banning and see what happens.

I am sure the world will not implode and at the end of the trial this thread will hopefully mean nothing and everyone will have learned to play in the sandbox together.

If we all work together we can win. And isn't that kind of spirit what Christmas is all about? Let's be the bigger person as a site and extend a hand of friendship. I think you will be surprised at the results.

Merry Christmas to all!!

Steve

Hamm

On another note, there are more groups in town that you have mentioned. There are many of our fellow citizens that are on the fence and not sure who to believe.

I have spoken with many of them and direct them to this site.How would it look it they tune in and find people are being banned for not towing the line?

Some of those people may have the same feelings and if they watch someone else get tossed we will lose them as well for fear they will be tossed as well.

I realize we don't have control over this but I think a trial period would help to make them feel welcome as well.

P Span

I am in no way recommending your responses change.Just allow their presence, you may be amazed at the results.

billl w.
fare enough you are the boss. and I will abide by your discission. as long as everyone has a way to defend their actions..Cant ask for anything more.

Yes, thanks Bill..

...and SeaRay, Kinsailman, Larry and Ham...and they say we agree on EVERYTHING.

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TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

Okay, so now I am not sure if I am going to get banned for asking (is there is a moratorium on banning or what) but I don't understand what Beammeup did that got him banned.  If asking questions causes so many problems, how are we ever going to find answers.  You all assume that because you have been watching these issues for weeks/months/years that everyone else is up to speed.  This is very intimidating - like coming to a party where everyone knows everyone else or trying to join a club that has been together for years.  You say you want to encourage people, but that's not what it feels like.

I hate to break it to you, but there are still a lot of people (not me- I know better, because I am "fairly educated" and willing to think for myself) out there who believe that if something is written in a newspaper is must be true or at least have some truth behind it.  And they vote.  I don't know how many people are buying the rag, but there seem to be plenty who are discussing his stories around town.  This website, while a good resource for those of us willing to read it, isn't doing enough damage control in the general population.   And shutting down people with questions, this "if you are not for us you are against us,"  "my way or the highway" attitude doesn't help those people who are reading this blog looking for some middle ground. In fact those are the very tactics that offend me with our current administration.  I know the BOS are elected officials and are held to a higher standard of conduct, and this is a venue for voicing opinions, but by banning people for diagreeing with you, you are not winning any points.

I am not a mole, troll, witch (although I have been called worse).  I just want to see an end to the bickering and some improvement in our town.

I think Bluebell has a very valid point. I too, was trying to figure out why Beam was banned.  Perhaps Commonsense, Ham, and Bill may know the identiy based on "inside" information such as the IP address and they could readily identify this person by that information as someone who might     cause potential issues due to the nature of their postings, and if so, I will defer to that knowledge.

But, I think Bluebell is on track.

The only time that banning should ever happen is if the statements made are over the top like the ones made about Mrs. Silva. Furthermore it should not be one sided. IhateSlager an IhateLiz for example are often posting nasty names referring to the BOS members and Mr. Slager yet the site moderators have not to my knowledge ever even considered banning them.
      My opinion is that you can point out the mistakes of public figures without resorting to name calling. We who post here should welcome opposing viewpoints and be willng to debate those who have them. If we are not willing to do that then it makes us no better than Mr. Slager who chooses to ban people like Lizdagnome from posting on his pay-per-post site for doing nothing more than stating a strong opposing point of view compared to other posters at that site. Again it may only be my opininion but I respect alot of what is posted here and I would like to think most here are better than this.
      Let them post I think those here will be able to succesfully get thier point across and who knows those poters like Beammeup may even learn a thing or two.An example that comes to mind is PinkPanther. When she was first posting it was pretty negative. But as time went on and she actually listened to some here. She learned some things and the tone of her posts changed.
      It's not the People that support us already that we need to convince. They are already in our corner. It's the ones that don't.

It's Bill's site.
If he wants to ban someone, then it's time for you to move on and create your own site that will allow "both" sides of any issues to be heard, outrageous allegations forgiven because we want to be nice and "peaceful".
They showed you time and time again before Town Meeting how they work.
They appeal to your kindness ( as evidenced by your generosity and giving at Thanksgiving and Christmas...what did they do?) and they know you don't want to be confrontational and you want them to participate.
BULLSHIT!
They hate your guts and always will and nothing you do or say will change it. They have already proven it to you.
How many times do you want to be disappointed?
Stay with each other, concentrate on a very IMPORTANT election and take back your Town.
Don"t waste time on these idiots and people who will never like or support you.
Bill W and Commonsense aren't that old...but...they are VERY wise.
CONCENTRATE on April 6, 2010.

I say no to Ms Lilly. I have no use for her and her games. That's all I am going to say about her.

Whaaaat is right..obviously we need to try and "get the word out" to a wider audience. Ideas?
bluebell, I know for me..it's not a case where whoever is on the BoS (or the Moderator, Town Clerk)..is going to be criticized "just for kicks"...It is the individuals currently in those positions, and their actions/track record that is being criticized..
"Name Calling" & focusing on things like the way they umm, uhhh, uhmmm speak is (I hate to say it) open and quite common in political satire. As elected public officials, it "comes with the turf"..and tolerance for it, and the definition of "offensive" is different for everyone. When people become "too careful" about what they say, I feel you run the risk that they will choose (and often do) to remain silent on many (or every) thing(s)...Read between the lines..sometimes those who say it in (what to you) may be "offensive" ways, actually have information to share that no one else does..Don't judge the book by the cover. It's funny (to me) that accusations/assertions that we are so "incivil" have become such a big issue. I consider that it's even MORE demonstrated by our Elected officials (and a certain multi media magnate)...If calling someone Brockton Brenda, Sweet Brucey, Mr. and Mrs Moderator is so offensive to you (or others) that you choose to ignore the "damage" they've done (and continue to do)..then I believe the priorities are mixed up..When "they" are GONE, I'll "play nice"..that is me excercising MY FREE SPEECH (as protected as any others)..Don't make it a popularity contest..Vote the track record (or lack thereof)...Please KNOW..I'm not trying to "attack" you, and I DO appreciate your viewpoint..thanks.

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TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

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You are aware this isn't the "candidates who are running against the selectmen" website, right?

I don't remember meeting to support "our candidate"

I thought this was a truth exposing site, why let the lies in?

I have to agree with bluebell on some of their points.  I am currently a newcomer to the boards  but I have read them for quite awhile now.   I would have joined earlier but was not impressed with how some people  would launch personal attacks against others.  One of these that I can remember (I don't remember the person who posted it) focused on Pezzoli's looks and the state of her house and stuff like that.  There is obviously no need for such talk on these boards.  It does no one any good and certainly does not enhance the site in the eyes of those who may be on the fence about the political issues in this town.  The lack of this type of post in recent months has brought me to start posting on here as well.  I think it was possibly taken care of internally although I do not know if it was or not.  I like the way the site is going now with people discussing the issues at hand with April quickly approaching.  This needs to continue and the BS stuff left out.  If Bill or anyone who has the power decides that someone will not be offering anything but opposition to this goal, I support their decision to ban them so long as it isn't being used just to get rid of anyone with an opposing view.  Personally, I think the people can police those who are just being arrogant and stuff like that by blocking them (however that is done) but if the powers that be decide it is banning time, it is their site.

I don't think that most of us disagree with the fact that the majority of the current BOS and the editor of the useless rag deserve to be hammered on this site.  My only point was that the more personal stuff had turned me off to the site at first.  The more recent talk does not bother me one bit.  Talking about a persons appearance or home do no one any good.  It is just childish and has nothing to do with how they perform in a job. 

I certainly understand your point about respect.  Mr. Cruz has earned a bit of respect so far.  Calling him "sleepy" is not exactly an insult in my opinion.  It just describes his lack of a voice in the meetings.  That is just how he is.

I feel that the names used to refer to the BOS, ITA, TM, etc. have been earned.  When you see good, hard work being done by these people to better the town of Wareham for ALL maybe their names will be softened up.  When you see them take what Town Meeting Voters voted down and immediately hear them say that the articles voted down will be put on the next ballot - you get angry.  You sat with hundreds of concerned voters and made a decision.  This BOS decided that we were too stupid to vote THEIR way, that we must have been paid off.  I could use much worse language to describe them.  I could use that same language to describe their actions on all fronts.  Tell me one thing that this BOS has done that has been positive.

And, yes ~ we all read the language.  Mostly I see it being used in anger, so if that person talks that way, I accept it.  We are all different.  Stand by the High School when they are leaving the school ~ you will HEAR that language.

Did you ever get so frustrated that you want to scream?  Did you ever get so angry with someone that all you could do was to say something bad about them, because if you got closer you would probably hit them.  Did you ever have someone tear down someone you love and you could do nothing?  Did you ever have that much raw emotion inside that the only way to release it was to say something about someone's being or their housekeeping?  Then consider yourself a very lucky person and say a little prayer that this person can finally feel peace.

bornofwareham wrote:

WantToSeeChange wrote:

I don't think that most of us disagree with the fact that the majority of the current BOS and the editor of the useless rag deserve to be hammered on this site.  My only point was that the more personal stuff had turned me off to the site at first.  The more recent talk does not bother me one bit.  Talking about a persons appearance or home do no one any good.  It is just childish and has nothing to do with how they perform in a job. 

I certainly understand your point about respect.  Mr. Cruz has earned a bit of respect so far.  Calling him "sleepy" is not exactly an insult in my opinion.  It just describes his lack of a voice in the meetings.  That is just how he is.

Just to let you know that even though it sounds childish to you (or others), it is all about how this person performed her job.

Saying that someone is fat, ugly and lives in a dump of a house has something to do with their job?  I am missing the connection.

All I am saying is that personal attacks such as that don't help this site to get the credibility it deserves.  I am glad that we have a group of people who believe in the fact that we need to change this town for the better in April and forever more.  I will speak of this no more.  I have made my point.  I don't need to be banned from a site that I believe in.

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Believe me, I am not defending Liz.  It was just an example of one of the first posts that I saw on here the first time I read the site.  It was something that turned me off to it is all I am saying.  I don't know the circumstances of why it was said or who was saying it.  That wasn't important at the time.  The fact that it was being said made me think twice about joining in. 

I am very thankful to Bill W for making this site possible and I hope to meet him someday.  I am pretty sure we have not crossed paths before although I find it hard to believe that we haven't at one point or another.  I know a few people on here personally but not Bill. 

I too was born and raised here in town and I agree that people (including myself) are very angry about the state of the town due to just a few idiots.  I hope that change will happen in April but fear that many citizens will vote as I used to.  That would be the "well they have been serving all along so why change anything?" method of voting.  I hope there is another way other than this site to keep getting the word out to those who just don't know or care all that much as I used to be.

Hamatron5000 wrote:

Ok people, let's move on now.  When Bobo sees a thread like this he starts spanking the monkey.

Phooey. We'll periodically have this discussion - a debate that dates to the first network - as long as the site exists. It's healthy.

Ignore Bobo.

Why or why does anyone here pay attention to what Bobo says about this site? Who cares what he thinks or says about this site it’s all bullshit.

Jeb wrote:

Well Steve...... That is just pure and absolute...

Holy crap. Thanks, Jeb. I'm thrilled you're back.

Maybe you can remind these good folks the first time you read this online debate in Wareham, and to always wear flame retardant Depends.

I'm confused, I thought we were all TBW? Now Bobo is saying we are being infiltrated by TBW.  Make up your damn mind Bobo!

Hamatron5000 wrote:

No one has been banned that wasn't, for lack of a better term, a douche.

Bobo's site on the other hand, you can't even open your mouth unless you stick some cash in his hand and kiss his ass.  This website is out in the open for the world to see.  Bobo carefully guards the secrecy over there because he doesn't want anyone knowing the idiocy that goes on over there.  He sure as hell doesn't want people seeing his core group of supporters say things as stupid as "John McAulliffe was a CBW plant."

You have to wonder why if they are all so sure of themselves over on the Bobo site do they not want the world to see the stupid things they say?  As Larry said, when you read the things they say, "it makes you wonder if they huff paint."

So we have a heated debate once in awhile.  So what.

The two sides each have a strength.  Their side will do any vile and despicable thing they need to do to win, no matter how immoral or depraved.  People that immoral are tough to beat.

Our side's strength is that we can disagree and still all come together and fight these douches when the chips are down.  We may disagree on the best way to do it, but we don't turn on each other at the drop of a hat the way those clowns do.

We can agree to disagree.  Their side - kiss Brucey's ass and call it ice cream or it's the heave ho for you.

Ham...you left out the words "illegal and criminal".