#1 2009-07-08 15:49:32

SO THE TWO THINGS I NOTICED ABOUT THIS WEEKS MEETING WAS THEY ARE GOING TO CLOSE MAPLE SPRINGS ROAD KNOWING THAT THE ACTION WILL CAUSE LITIGATION. VOTE 5-0-0. BROCKTON THE PIG BRENDA DID NOT ISSUE A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO THE WOMAN SHE DEFAMED LAST WEEK. GUESS YOU WOULDNT EXPECT MUCH FROM A BROCKTON......

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#2 2009-07-08 16:35:18

Hey pinky,   Why are you sticking up for this trash.  Friend of yours ?

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#3 2009-07-08 16:40:02

Just a reminder of Bill's thread:  https://warehamwater.cruelery.com/viewtopic.php?id=5312

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#4 2009-07-08 16:50:16

I ALSO NOTICED THAT SEVERAL PERSONS CRITICIZED GEORGE COLEMAN AND HOW UNPROFESSIONAL HE IS AND SWEET BRUCIES RESPONSE? OH JESUS! WELL CRIME WATCH IS HERE TO STAY BECAUSE WE SUPPORT IT. SORRY FOLKS YOUR OPINIONS DONT MATTER!

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#5 2009-07-08 16:53:57

"We’re the eyes and ears for the police department," Coleman said. "That’s all we do."

--- from The Rag

I don't think so George!  Who are you going to blame now?  Last year it was "Chief Joyce's friends" complaining.

Well, he's not here now and people are still complaining.  I think we're finally seeing who the problem is.

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#6 2009-07-08 17:06:14

The people have not complained about the police in a little while.  Not like before.

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#7 2009-07-08 17:10:17

I'm sorry, people are still complaining about Crime Watch.....

I should have been clearer

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#8 2009-07-08 19:15:39

The ITA just came right out and lied to the public. The crime watch was absolutely paid for  gas reimbursement last year and several expenses. It's a lie for a fact and it was a large amount of money, and I would then see Coleman driving to dinner with his wife and all over town for personal business on the tax payers dime. They are such liars.

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#9 2009-07-08 19:17:53

Reruns of Tuesday's bos meeting are scheduled for noon tomorrow and noon Saturday.

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#10 2009-07-08 19:24:27

I'm confused. Who paid for the cars? Who pays for the gas? Shouldn't that information be available to the public? Wouldn't fin com have that as a line item? Who buys the ticket books? The t-shirt/uniforms? It is all volunteer and funds are raised by the Crime Watch. Did I miss a major fund raiser?

Also, on the liability issue that the bos did not want to answer--the crime watch people signed a waiver? And that will hold up in court? I'm not so sure but I'm not an expert. Anyone know?

And what about what the gentleman said about having to be official sworn in ticket-writers? Is there any truth to that?

If I was a member of the bos and several people expressed concerns about something like crime watch, I wouldn't simply dismiss it. I would want to---RESEARCH--it! Find out if there really is a problem.

And when your microphone is hot---you shouldn't say something insulting like--"jesus" when a citizen speaks. Just my opinion, but then, I understand the difference between having a little class and shooting your mouth off at every turn.

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#11 2009-07-08 19:32:04

I wrote a message on the Observer's web site. I will paraphrase: It was a story about Mr. Coleman and how he was berated by a business owner in Town, Steve Baptiste. Apparently Mr. Baptiste disagreed with the actions of the civilains under the control of Mr. Coleman and attempted to explain his displeasure when he was cut off by the Chairman of the BOS.
I don't know who the Chairman thinks he is, but, believe me, he couldn't be a pimple on Mr. Baptiste's butt.
Steve Baptiste, or as I call him Stevie, or "TT", wasn't just a patrolman on the WPD. He was a Sergeant, and I rode with him from midnight until 8 a.m. for nearly six years in a cruiser. I heard he fell ill and had to leave the PD after I left Wareham. There was no doubt in my mind, after I left, that Stevie would be the first Cape Verde Police Chief. I was thinking about him the other day and was hopeful that he was healthy. Apparently, he is a successful business man with a restauarant called the Pier View.
Stevie Baptiste is a wonderful man. When we were cops, he worked three jobs to take care of his family. A Sgt. on the PD, a barber, and as a landscaper. He is one of the smartest men I have ever known, and certainly a credit to Wareham and Onset.
If Stevie Baptiste says something is so...then..it is so. Period.
I suggest some people pay more attention to Stevie Baptiste, and find out more about Mr. Coleman. There is no comparison.
Stevie Baptiste is one of my heroes...and you can take that to the bank.

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#12 2009-07-08 19:36:19

Apparently the Crime Watch has an "in" with the rag and the bos; therefore, they can so no wrong - despite how wrong they behave.  The real police can do no right - despite how correct they behave as evidenced by the maligning and condescending behavior of sweet brucie and bobo.

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#13 2009-07-08 20:12:16

After all Stevie Baptiste has done for the Communist Town Committee, spagetti dinners for their candidates, no charge, freebies on election night, signs in his windows at Pier View, you'd think that Jane (married to the Furor), Brenda, Bruce, Cronan and Cruz would be LISTENING. Stevie I hope you see how far your generosity got you, they don't take anyone seriously, even someone who is such a big supporter as yourself.
Next year make them pay.

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#14 2009-07-08 20:48:42

big john wrote:

Hey pinky,   Why are you sticking up for this trash.  Friend of yours ?

Hi Big John :)
I am not really trying to be mean but what am I to do?

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#15 2009-07-08 21:01:19

Dano

Please send another message to the observer. I was one of the citizens speaking last night and I am not an employee of a local establishment I work in Canton. Tell the Liarbserver to get his facts straight!!!
Thanks

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#16 2009-07-08 21:18:46

iliveinazoo wrote:

After all Stevie Baptiste has done for the Communist Town Committee, spagetti dinners for their candidates, no charge, freebies on election night, signs in his windows at Pier View, you'd think that Jane (married to the Furor), Brenda, Bruce, Cronan and Cruz would be LISTENING. Stevie I hope you see how far your generosity got you, they don't take anyone seriously, even someone who is such a big supporter as yourself.
Next year make them pay.

Stevie  I feel I am able to speak for many.   You and your family have done so many many great things and have worked very hard to support the community.  We do thank you sir.

FEED PEOPLE.  Food & Comfort....

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#17 2009-07-09 08:17:32

On the Maple Springs Road Closing:
The "ladies" down the street have placed large logs and "private property" signs on the town's property. Maple Springs Road is strarting to look like a war zone with barricades and mine fields. This was all a well placed plan to close the road. The good news is now they have to deal with Makepeace and Tucy. The bad news is the town will have more legal expenses. Another example of fiscal responsibility.

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#18 2009-07-09 09:05:00

They did vote to lift the cease and desist--Brucie said they would have lost that anyway. But if you close the road to ALL commercial vehicles, how will the people on the road get their trash picked up? That's a commercial vehicle and if the Makepeace Tucy commercial vehicles are banned, the trash truck should also be banned. And who is going to enforce this? Are we posting cops up there?

Also, the bos all agreed that this will lead to more legal action---I guess the town coffers must be fuller than we have been lead to believe if they can go into a situation knowing it will incur more legal fees. Isn't there a better way to deal with this road than this? Where are the leadership skills from the ITA and BOS?

Why is it the taxpayers who always get (as Brenda so nicely put it when talking publicly about a private citizen) screwed?

And no one should have the right to post signs without getting the blessing of the Road Commissioners, or so we've been told--even if the signs are not legally sanctioned by the state.

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#19 2009-07-09 09:39:15

Molly,
You don't need police there, you have the Ladies and they are a 2 person crime watch! I think the police have a direct line to their house. I doubt that they will get in trouble for the logs and signs. It's everyone else that gets in trouble. They can do what they want. Again, another example of selective government. isn't that what this group of Selectmen said they were going to get rid of?

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#20 2009-07-09 10:47:29

When these idiots closed the road to commercial traffic doesn't that mean that the trash collector, oil delivery, propane delivery, ups, fedex etc, ice cream truck, pizza delivery and on and on and on, are no longer allowed to service the residents that live there?

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#21 2009-07-09 11:03:10

I don't think they thought that far ahead. I know the first time they don't allow our trash collector and oil delivery, they will certainly have a problem on their hands. I believe their intent was to eliminate the haulers for the cranberry bogs. I'm not positive, but I would suspect Makepeace and Tucy won't just take this without a fight. That means more legal expenses.

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#22 2009-07-09 11:28:47

Now, now...step back and breathe...there are many residential roads in the state closed to commercial traffic and people still get their services. Otherwise, no one would live on those roads. Federal law defines commercial vehicles by weight and/or number of passengers. I would hazard a guess that oil delivery vehicles and trash haulers perhaps come in under the weight limitations. A legitimate concern however would be school busses...as I'm not sure there is any way around the passenger count without using multiple small busses and we all know the school dept can't afford that.

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#23 2009-07-09 11:54:37

Thank you for clarifying that Huh. We do have a school bus that comes down to pick up children for summer school, but I hadn't thought about that. That is why we call it the Maple Springs Road Debacle.

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#24 2009-07-09 12:26:31

Well before I got too comfortable with warehamhuh's explanation I would just look at the license plates on just about every truck on the road today. The commonwealth seems to have an identity of commercial by plate type. You may want to be a little concerned about your landscaper in addition to the ones I mentioned above.
These idiots did not define anything more than "commercial".

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#25 2009-07-09 12:39:00

I guess we will just have to let it play out. Hopefully, this will not result in an interruption of services. I do want to know how they are going to handle all the Water Department trucks that go up and down the road all day. They have commercial plates. In the winter months (if this thing drags on) will this effect the plowing schedule?

Wouldn't be easier to just ban the one or two residents that really don't even live on Maple Springs Road and complain? If you took a straw poll of all the residents of Maple Springs, I am pretty sure you will have a majority that weren't even upset with the haulers.

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#26 2009-07-09 13:45:53

Not to belabor a point but the Mass RMV does define commercial vehicles and there are subclasses based on weight, etc. in accordance with the federal regs. I will concede however, anything can become a nitpicking issue. The signs posted should express a weight limit on the commercial travel permitted to reflect the actual intent to limit the commercial hauling not eliminate any tyoe of commercial vehicle from traveling that road (not that I agree with that intent). Should they just throw up signs saying commercial vehicles excluded, then you might have some issues.

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#27 2009-07-09 13:57:35

Maplesprings Road Man wrote:

If you took a straw poll of all the residents of Maple Springs, I am pretty sure you will have a majority that weren't even upset with the haulers.

It's too bad those straw polls aren't suggested as a resolution for all the road issues currently going on...if you substituted "Maple Springs" and "haulers" with "Oceanside Drive" and "name change", you'd probably be looking at the same conclusion...

It's too bad it's not even about the roads anymore...

Regarding Tuesday, not even Scarlett would have had a chance ;-)

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#28 2009-07-09 14:08:03

Where I'm from this is referred to as a "pissin contest". That is the unfortunate thing. Some citizens are not even allowed to speak, according to what I saw on TV.

It's too bad Mr. Sauvageau didn't take a straw poll of the registered voters when offerring up his resignation, but he knew that was a bad idea. It's not about the will of the people, it's about glorification of Bruce. I certainly hope enough people have taken notice, especially those who reside at the state level.

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#29 2009-07-09 14:19:58

This debacle has been orchestrated by Brenda eckstrom and her campaign contributors " the ladys"

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#30 2009-07-09 14:31:24

I couldn't agree with you more IHS. And now they can barracade their road on town property and get away with it.  YOu have to love the Selectmen's version of "helping the people".

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#31 2009-07-09 14:34:53

It is my understanding that absent a posting of a weight limit that ALL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES are now banned from Maple Springs Road, doesn't one of the lady's have a commercial plate? Hope no one springs a leak and needs a plumber, yes indeed they all have commercial plates too.

I am not sure, but didn't Mass Highway say the 10 mph speed limit sign was illegal, yet it stayed up? I do not believe that they can just close a public road, and it seemed even they knew it. Why would they do it if they knew it was wrong, that is a rhetorical question.

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#32 2009-07-09 14:46:21

I know according to the state, the 10 mph speed limit change was indeed illegal. As far as commercial vehicles on the road, I'm not sure how they will enforce it. I know the first time the heating oil company is banned and it stops a delivery to a resident, there will be problems. The most interesting aspect of this entire situation is the offer by Makepeace and Tucy to foot the bill to fix the road. Why would the town refuse the offers. Both companies utilize the road for their agricultural business and it was generous to offer up a solution that didn't cost the town valuable funds. Instead, the town wants to incur more legal bills and foot the cost of re-engineering the road???? Does this sound fiscally responsible?

What happens with the Water Department vehicles that have to travel Maple Springs on a daily basis? Do they get a free pass?

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#33 2009-07-09 16:42:48

IHATESLAGER wrote:

This debacle has been orchestrated by Brenda eckstrom and her campaign contributors " the ladys"

Brenda's campaign contributors are to ladies as
Sweet Brucie is to gentleman.

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#34 2009-07-09 16:49:58

MsLilly wrote:

Maplesprings Road Man wrote:

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..if you substituted "Maple Springs" and "haulers" with "Oceanside Drive" and "name change", you'd probably be looking at the same conclusion...

Is the conclusion that decisions are made based on personal interests of the bos and their financial contributors?

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#35 2009-07-09 17:06:20

Well just maybe the BOS needs a favor from those two ladies, in lets say the next month or two?   Two years of this nonsense with Maple Springs Rd and then now all of the sudden they close the road ??????   Look into it, I bet the BOS  needs something from them. You know how they operate, one hand washes the other  !!

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#36 2009-07-09 17:46:18

Where do all of you wonderful people come from? Why weren't you there when I was a Selectman?
I predict that you will be running the Town very soon...very soon...

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#37 2009-07-10 09:47:26

Mixie wrote:

Is the conclusion that decisions are made based on personal interests of the bos and their financial contributors?

I partially agree Mixie...I agree with "decisions are made based on personal interest", but believe you stopped prematurely when naming "the bos and their financial contributors" specifically....I believe there are many, many, many people in this town guilty of committing that sin...

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#38 2009-07-10 10:14:12

Ms Lilly,
That is business in the real world and corruption when it comes to government. IN the case of business, you have owners and BOD's making the decision that affects the company they own or manage. In government you have elected officials who care little about the rights or needs of the majority of taxpayers and make the decision based on personal interest. If you OWN the company that is one thing, but this group of arrogant fools do not OWN the town. They are playing with our money, our future, and we can do something about it!  That is the big difference.

I look at the group in Selectmen seats and I really have to ask the question, "do any of these people represent the best interests of the town and can I count on them to make decisions that point to a better future?". The answer is overwhelmingly NO.

This is our fault for not turning out to vote, so it's also our problem to fix! If we rally the voters, we can put people in those seats that will shape Wareham for the future for all residents!

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#39 2009-07-10 11:01:11

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