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Last edited by IHATESLAGER (2009-05-07 06:23:56)

bruce is a bully and sociopath. domestic violence is nothing to joke about maybe someone will beat him up or he ends up in jail or mental ward. he is so far gone he thinks he is better then everyone

do not know for sure but she is a nice person too good for that monster

anyone who lived with that would hide behind foster grants..sadly denial is a strong defense especially for women involved with monsters!

Tonight as I watched the people assemble for town meeting, in the foyer I saw cruz and then that bindas woman go up and hug him.  Next I saw the clerk go up to the two of them and get her hugs, it seems as if they are a very small clique.

I also watched ragman laughing as the Chief was speaking.  But in spite of it all tonight was a wonderful night for wareham.  I t was great to see people are not going to take it any more.  When brucie made a slur towards the Chief, the body protested and let the moderator know about it. 

The Bos was not able to jam a single one of their articles down the throats of the voters.  It was a sigh of relief when the personnel policies failed.  Of most concern was the disciplinary action where employees could be fired on the whim of brenda or brucie.

Did anyone notice after the vote on the personnel policies failed, Bruce immediately left his seat?  i thought I could hear sobbing coming from behind the curtain.

Bill I saw your entrance.....

Next came the clean water.  the president of ADM made me wonder why our BOS couldn't take a lesson in professionalism....NO we had Brockton brenda stand up, jut her hip forward,  cross her arms and retort "It takes 2 to communicate  wha wha wha...no one's listening to us.  they have forgotten who we are wha wha wha"   Yes, it was a very good night for wareham.

oh and yes, who ever was setting the clock, twice forgot for the BOS, but never forgot for the body.

Last edited by Mixie (2009-05-07 21:27:27)

slagisDB wrote:

..again, the Moderator makes a one sided vote appear very close with the superior math knowledge he possesses..

Voters to either side of me kept running tabs on the count just to make sure.

Maybe my optimism is premature but I sense the scum tide has turned. Mister moderator didn't appear nearly as confident he could manage same stoopid stunt he pulled last fall. Yes, he tried.

Bill:
I got the same sense as you, I think that people have just about had it with this crap. Let's review:
High crime, not enough officers
Half a municipal maintenance department
No Town Administrator
No Town Accountant
No Town Planner
No CEDA Director (where are all those great resumes?)
Half of the volunteer committees are empty
No recreation department
No lifeguards
No Town Hall on Fridays
No certified library

Let's look at what we do have:
Substidized Sewer
Excessive legal costs

Hmmm, I haven't even touched on the schools, council on aging, etc.

slager is a shithead.

Last edited by ihateliz (2009-05-06 20:55:00)

It's really odd...I get the sense that alot of people who vote down the BOS articles were people that voted for the BOS...so it's like "we'll vote for you, but we think you are stupid."

No wonder they want to dissolve town meeting and impose their own city dictatorship. 

Why is the Ragman laughing at the Chief?  The Chief is employed.  The Ragman is not.  The Ragman should not laugh at anyone with a job, including the guy that polishs the bus station toilet bowls with a toothbrush for a living.

Really, a guy that puts out a Rag as a profitless hobby shouldn't even be laughing at a kid with a lemonade stand.

Mixie wrote:

I also watched ragman laughing as the Chief was speaking.  But in spite of it all tonight was a wonderful night for wareham.  I t was great to see people are not going to take it any more.  When brucie made a slur towards the Chief, the body protested and let the moderator know about it.

Bruce should just keep his mouth shut when it comes to anything having to do with the police department or a member of the police department. Even most of his supporters should be able to see that he is clearly biased against the police because they refuse to be intimidated by him and will enforce the law when he breaks it. I'm not just talking about his traffic ticket for tailgating an ambulance so he could avoid traffic passing through a road construction zone and his suspended license arrest. He has been involved in several road rage incidents and neighbor disputes and other types of confrontations. It was funny to see him get booed so loudly and so quickly by the crowd.

Last edited by TBL (2009-05-06 18:54:49)

Who was the guy who spoke up about the alcohol bylaw and said he was concerned he could get in trouble for drinking a beer on his tailgate in his own driveway? Like the police are concerned about something like that, get a clue. He was reading way too hard into that bylaw.

ihateliz wrote:

THE SELECTMEN AFTER CONSULTING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ( THEY SAID IF CHALLENGED IN COURT IT WOULD LOOSE)DISREGARED TOWN COUNSELL AND TOWN MEETING AND ROLLED BACK THE PERSONELL PLAN TO 1999 WAGES. PEOPLE WILLTAKE A 25 TO 50 % PAY CUT.

I get the sense most town employees hearing this believed the Selectmen were blowing smoke and would not dare. The limited sample I pressed on the subject all responded the same way: general strike and work slow down.

Breaking news: National Guard deploys to Wareham!

I personally spoke with Town Counsel regarding the defeat of the Personnel plan presented at town meeting to ask just that question…I wanted to hear it directly from TC to avoid another Town Clerk’s fiasco of the facts…Quoting directly from our Charter, if this town is to obey the law, they must adhere to the conditions of the most recent personnel plan approved by the voters at Town meeting, which is the 1999 version. After witnessing the absolutely most disgusting display of special interests I’ve ever seen take place at town meeting, the only thing that could improve the situation is to see them lose their jobs completely instead of just taking a 25-50% pay reduction.  We had 271 voters walk into TM that evening and after voting on a single article, 118 of those voters got up and walked out the door…44% of the body, a majority of which were directly affected by the personnel plan…the same people who earn a living off the backs of this town’s taxpayers, who couldn’t even bring themselves to even pretend to care enough about anything else happening in this town except for the one article directly linked to their wallets…I’m not expecting them to actually show up for more than one night of a multiple night town meeting, but couldn’t they have at least stayed long enough to vote on the very next article that was being presented?…an attempt to keep our water clean?   Simply unbelievable…I have never, ever endorsed a mayoral form of government, but after that detestable display of self interest, I’d vote for Mayor McCheese today if he were running…     

I really don’t think the National Guard will be necessary…in this economy, there are enough of us in this town who will gladly line up for those jobs and not only be thankful, but greatful to just have the opportunity to apply for them…Strike??? Let’s make sure the acting TA has a copy President Reagan’s memoirs with the section on Air Traffic Controllers flagged…Get your resumes ready people…

And yes IHL, I guess I am still full of shit…

ILIAZ…I do not have an issue with who, what or why someone spoke for or against the personnel plan…my problem is with those that showed up to vote on a single article and then left…especially when it's the ones I pay...that is exactly what is wrong with the current prehistoric format of Town Meeting…Though I disagree with Mr. Sylvia and Ms. Winslow’s opinion, I have nothing but the utmost respect for both of them…they attended every evening of Town Meeting to speak their opinion on any or all of the articles, not just the ones that affected them personally…the way the process is supposed to happen…thank you for reaffirming  the exact point I was trying to make…

YES MS LILLY  YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND A  SLAGER PARTISAN,THESE PEOPLE WORK HARD FOR THE TOWN AND HAVE GIVEN THERE BEST FOR THE TOWN MS LILY, I SO YOUR BOING TO VOYE FOR MAYOR MC CHEESE , HOW ABOUT MAYOR UNEMPLOYABLE DONAHUE , YOUR SUCH A LAUAGABLE PARTSAN.

MsLilly wrote:

I know that I was on the fence in regards to the Swift's Beach article until I saw the photos that were shown...

You mean Bruce's predictable flood tide at full moon images? Cute, huh?

Hope I'm not the only one noticed Donahue refused to answer why he disapproved the proponent's exhibits. At least some of them (below) have appeared on this site before.

Swift's Beach, 1910

Ms. Lilly maybe you are ready for the moderator's job?

Mixie, I agree with you. I was surprised to read Ms. Lilly's account. 118 people all left at the same time? How crazy is that. There would have been a traffic jam at the door as those people needed to file out. I didn't see that, but I guess you are right. You see what you want to see. Of course, again, it was ok for the Donahue crowed to stack the water district meeting and then have those folks leave right away. Two faced, hypocrisy if you ask me.

I was also surprised to see that  a private citizen (Ms. Lilly) spoke to town counsel. Of course, it's not the first time I've seen a private citizen go up there for a chat (I saw her in the past). We are not blind. Employees and board members have to get permission to talk to town counsel, but  I guess if you are a puppet for the regime, you don't have to.

I'm tired of people saying that when they lose the vote on their article, special interest groups are destroying town meeting and making a mockery of the democratic process. But if they win the vote on their article because they got extra people to town meeting, it is the purest form of democracy. Two faced, hypocrisy again.

There are two sides to both the nitrogen article and the personnel plan. Both make some good points, but no one wants to listen to the other side because they are sure they are right. Not everyone in the auditorium is associated with the evil CBW or the evil BOS. Some people come because they have been doing so for many years and because they care about the town. They vote after they listen to the debate and make logical choices. Blind loyalty is just stupid. Some of the people have only come to three or four town meetings, and they know it all. Are we ready to let the inmates run the asylum?

Last edited by Molly (2009-05-12 15:11:18)

May 7th, 2009 edition of the formerly free rag:
Cover page:  "By a margin of 158-109, the article [nitrogen] was shelved for further study.

Page 7 (I wonder why ragman reported on the articles out of order?) stampede followed
" Inside the Wareham ... was voted for further study 157 - 122" (personnel policies)

I guess I must be missing some point. Dozens of people left after the nitrogen article, most notably the ones who voted against it, many of whom are regulars at Town Democratic Commitee events, and this is not stacking the audience?

My question for Ms Lilly is, what do you think an employee is worth. I know for myself, I work in the public sector, I could make much more money in the private sector but I stay for two reasons. Firstly because I want the security of health insurance in my retirement and secondly because I love serving the public. But, I am getting tired of all the public employee bashing. When times are good and the private sector enjoys profit sharing and nice Christmas bonuses I still get nothing. I have not had a raise above 3% in any given year since prop 2 1/2. I maxed out on steps 7 years after I took my job. I get a little longevity check, a few hundred dollars each year because I have stayed with the town I work for going on 30 years now. I have never had the day after Thanksgiving off.

It is hurtful to those of us who have dedicated our lives to a community to be treated so poorly. When it snows I have to go to work and answer phones, so when an irate citizen who wants to know when a plow is coming can get an answer. Does anyone think of those of us who stay up all night to make sure the roads are safe for you in the morning appreciate this treatment? Times are tough everywhere, but towns get hit the hardest, Wareham is not in the financial straights they would have you believe. If they were they would not be buying filing cabinets.

The town I work in is down to half staff, we are all working harder and just because the staff goes away doesn't mean the work does. Please do not make assumptions about things you know nothing about Ms Lilly.

Funny how you (Ms Lilly) and the BOS, and their loyal followers ALL feel the same way.  Strange.  No one is thinking, you know maybe a mayor isn't a good idea....

Ms. Lilly:
I welcome you to pull the voter files from Fall Town meeting and this TM, I suspect you will find a number of regulars, a few new comers (notably Mr. Cruz) and a large number of TDC members.

The people who are "stacking" the audience are the people you call friends, same with the water district meeting.

You want to see how destructive a Mayor form of government is, take a look at Braintree. The Mayor was going to be the panecea to years of fiscal mismanagement, after a massive layoff they are still broke, but the Mayor has a beautiful new office and meeting space costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. People are still losing their jobs, employees are losing their homes and it all around sucks.

Folks supporting the nitrogen article left after the vote was taken.  Yes it looks as if they stacked the meeting and then left.  The regular TM attendees out numbered the special interest group.  The article failed.  TM voters spoke.  This is the democratic process and it is a fine process that people are trying to diminish.  There are simply some people who want to control the town.  This will never happen.  Those that want/need control are going to eventually learn that they need to work with others to get things done.  I believe the status quo is changing for the better of wareham.  I have faith in this town and in the poeple of this town.  There will be no mayoral form of government.  The BOS/Slager crew are losing power and control more and more as people realize the truth.

TBL wrote:

Who was the guy who spoke up about the alcohol bylaw and said he was concerned he could get in trouble for drinking a beer on his tailgate in his own driveway? Like the police are concerned about something like that, get a clue. He was reading way too hard into that bylaw.

From Ragman's crystal balls:
"Nobody will ever take away a Marion man’s right to drink in his truck .."
So apparently, ragman and his BOS pack, think they have some inside information.  Well good for them!  Aren't they so clever and informed?   Ragman must be so proud to be getting gossip printed in his rag....such a wonder...

Last edited by Mixie (2009-05-14 21:06:47)

LIving at the office bob looks that way bob
i tried to tell you bob long long time ago but you were so sure
they dont need you bob your credability is toast and no one reads your paper anymore
you are useless to them bob
have to fabricate doll stories for some sad pathetic attention bob?

its all unraveling bob isnt it
just like dad said huh bob

Pathetic!