I was going to suggest who could gain from the paper being free. Perhaps a company who wants to do business in town. Lord I hope that's vague enough. I'm not as brave as the rest of you and I don't want to get into trouble.

Also on the DUI line. MY husband, a retired police officer, told me that it is very rare for a person to be caught driving under the influence on their first time. They usually have been driving this way for awhile before they are caught.

BREAKING NEWS:  Boozeygate Day 3 - Three days since the select-clowns' shenanigans have been exposed and not one public word on it from any of your elected representatives.  No doubt they'd rather this whole thing blow over and everyone forget.  Fat chance!

National Celebrities now weighing in on the Boozeygate Scandal:



Duff Man, Corporate Spokesman for Simpons Brand Duff Beer weighing in on the fiasco, coming to the selectmen's defense for their pick, "What's the problem?  We need a town administrator that loves to par-tay!  Oh yeah!"

In other news, tick tock goes the spin clock, it's Saturday morning, do you know where your selectmen spin job is?  The selectmen remaning deafeningly silent, Operation Hope Everyone Forgets to Google a failure.  Wareham demands answers.  Wareham demands an apology.  Wareham demands resignations.  Wareham demands the selectmen say something, anything, and yet they arrogantly remain in their ivory tower, letting their Spokeslackey do all their dirty work.  The Halifax Hobo, Selectman Cheerleader, and Chief Enabler of the Hypocrite Elite insulting the intelligence of the people of Wareham with the "it was just a test" defense - selectmen knew and they interviewed him to test him and see if he would bring the issue up, they were appauled that he didn't.

Yes Bobo, I know you didn't write the exact words, "it was a test," but that is what I'm labeling your explanation as.  The "it was a test defense."

Sorry, we're not buying it.  Check the video tape.  There were no signs of appaulment.  Nay, it was a glorious lathery slathery lovefest, all signs showing this is the guy they were going with had this website not alerted the public of the truth.

And the Halifax Hobo, dabbling in elitism as he appears to be claiming that because the Standard Times ran a small blurb several months ago in its Mattapoisett section about this when it had nothing to do with Wareham at the time, that means that the Wareham citizenry was duly informed now, many months later.  Ha!  Elitism, not just for breakfast anymore at Ragserver HQ/Bathroom.

And to top it all off, the Sweet Brucey Stooge takes Ham to task for complaining about this before the guy is hired.  Because apparently, the proper strategy, if you don't think a guy should be hired, is to wait until after the guy is hired to complain he should not be hired.  Bagel biter logic.

This has been Ham, speaking in the third person, bringing you your Day 3 Boozeygate update!

Good day!

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excellent dick... you are a #1 power elite thought police political man.. you should be the their president!! great analysis of the scenerio of things to come..

Good morning,

Today's Globe South section of the Boston Sunday Globe lists Mr. Canevazzi as a finalist for the TA position in the Town of Hanson. It appears that quite a few communities think enough of him to bring him to the final round. Interviews are 11/3.

BTW, the three finalists in Hanson were recommended to the BoS by a search committee. What a concept!

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notalawyer wrote:

BTW, the three finalists in Hanson were recommended to the BoS by a search committee. What a concept!

Mattapoisett had a search committee for their TA, and every other town always has a search committee when TA's are hired.  I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong, Wareham had TA search commitees before these goobers came to power.  Wareham is the only town around that doesn't have citizen search commitees now.  It's obvious selectmen don't want the public involved in the decision making process.  Selectmen want to handpick someone who will cater to their massive economy sized egos, not somone who will appeal to the entire citizenry.

Ham..as always...you are right.
First of all, the Selectmen have no right to have ANYONE speak on Town Meeting floor unless they are a registered voter and member of Town Meeting.
If they hire someone before Monday night, and try to introduce him to speak because he is the new TA, it would be, and should be pointed out, presumptuous of them to assume that their budget and the salary of the Town Administrator will be approved.
So, someone only has to object, seconded, vote passes no...next conversation.

Definitely we should be on the look out to see if they hold some kind of last minute meeting on a Saturday morning or another time when people wouldn't be expecting it.  They have to make their decision to hire him in open meeting, but they may try to pull a fast one and schedule the meeting at an unexpected time just to avoid public input. 

Apologies to any Scottsmen on this site (I read there might be a few), but this "Scottish Sobriety Test" was too funny not to post:

Even if Andrews (or anyone else) is the selection of the BoS prior to town Meeting, there is the little matter of a contract to be worked out. It is doubtful that all of that could be completed in time. but, who knows...

with all due respect & deference to Dan, isn't the Moderator (you remember him, surely) the one who can request permission for non-voters to speak, with approval of the voters present? Examples: non-resident department heads, developers, lawyers, etc. Do you think that the Moderator would prevent such a request from the BoS to be presented to the body for a vote? Doubtful to me.

Again, it is not likely that it could all resolved in approximately 30 hours.

DicK:

What do you know about candidate #1.  He was very nervous, rambled and wore an orange shirt.  However, his credentials are good, and nothing negative comes up on Google.  Is he a complete washout?

gogatemen:  Thanks for waking me up to the possibility of #1. I had very foolishly made him an unviable candidate because I didn't think he had enough municipal experience....but that might be why he might be a good choice for our BOS. I'll put out some feelers.
Now I have a question: In towns that have a search committee how are people chosen to be on it ?  If the answer is that it's  up to the BOS, forget it.  Helping  the BOS with the TA search would have been added to the duties of the carefully selected CRC. ( Which should have RSC as its acronym: for Rubber Stamp Committee)

Good afternoon Dick,

My feelings about candidate #1 are similar to yours, not enough TA type experience, which may be a plus to the BoS. but what really got to me was his comment, repeated in the press, about his desire for the job. I don't have the precise quote in front of me, but it was effectively: "something I might like to try".

Really? So in addition to the required OJT at over SIX figures, there does not seem to be the requisite passion for the position. Not the best combination.

RE: search committees. Yes, I have seen them appointed by the BoS, which may induce a bias from the start. I have also seen them set up by design, which is to say that there is preset formula, so to speak, as to the make-up of the committee. thus if you are seeking a school super., the search committee might include reps from the BoS & school board, existing school adm, teachers, parents, FinCom, citizens, etc.

And search committees are not perfect. The one in Mattapoisett did not catch the problem with Mr. Andrews. There was a search committee for a police chief in the Town of Dennis, including then TA Canevazzi, which failed to unearth a sexual harassment charge against one of the finalists (it comes up on Google). My daily reading of the WSJ shows numerous problems with appointments by Bds of Directors to top-level positions in many companies.

It ain't science. at any level. But we have ID'd the essential question, have we not?

To wit: Should the final choice be someone who is good for the Town as an entity? or someone who is commited to advancing the agenda of this (or any) BoS?

Plenty of fodder for debate.

Could the strategy be to wait until Canavese gets snapped up by one of the many towns he has applied to, leaving the selectmen to say, "whoops, well we weren't going to hire DUI man but oh no, the other guy was hired somewhere else."

So many possible predictions as to how the selectmen will try to spin their way out of this one.

Hey everyone, just a funny thought, though people might not find this amusing, the BOS being prudent in such financial matters figures they could score this guy for TA at a discounted rate therefore there is a cost saving to the town, who knew.  That BOS is always thinking for the best interest of the town.

bump

Andrews interview from BoS Mtg 10/20 starts at (11:00) of Pt. 5, just after a "Bobo Beeline to Brenda and a break"..lotta "b's"

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Mr. Andrews was not my choice for the T.A. position.  However, unless he turns the job down, we are stuck with the choice of the BOS.   They will not rescind a second decision.

There are very few people who have not had to deal with the problem of alcohol or drug addiction in a family member or friend.  By definition, addictions are very difficult to overcome, and it is equally as hard to remain supportive when relapses occur.  Andrews states that he has remained sober since April of 2008.  Good for him.  I can only hope that he continues to remain sober.  I am not overly optimistic.

Many people on this board are ready to lock up their children to protect them from this potentially lethal drunk driver.  I’m not condoning impaired driving, but Let’s Get Real.  Wareham is a beautiful town, but we already have far more than our share of alcoholics and drug addicts, who routinely drive their cars.  Mr. Andrews is not a potential mass -murderer moving to a town of innocents.  If there is concern, start a campaign against all impaired driving.  I’m certain the cops could fill up the jails on Saturday nights or on any summer evening in Onset.  Acting Chief Stanley says he will not tolerate drug trafficking-Great lets help him get rid of the problem.  What will not solve the problem is harassing someone who is trying to remain sober.

I would like to suggest a different and unpopular direction.  Whatever the new T.A.’s faults, he is an intelligent man.  How about we support him, perhaps even befriend him.  Help him to stand up to the BOS.  Show him where the real problems are in town. 

What is the worst that can happen?  He caves to the BOS?  He drinks on the job?  That may happen with or without our support, and I think helping him is worth a shot.

OK we'll just spend the next few years complaining until we can get a majority on the BOS in order to fire him.  God knows what shape the town will be in by then.

They haven't hired him yet. They only voted to begin the interview process. Nothing is in stone, YET!
With the information available on the web and on the sites here, the ITA can pass on the information to the BOS and if he believes that the BOS should continue looking, then he should say so.
If not...whatever happens falls on his shoulders as well as the BOS for confirming the appointment.
It's not a question of "picking on" Mr. Andrews. It is simply there are better candidates out there that are not carrying "baggage".
Many Towns have turned him down...why should Wareham be the exception?
We all hope he continues his sobriety, but perhaps he should be thinking of employment that doesn't cause such wide spread publicity and scrutiny...in the private sector, perhaps?

gogatemen..I agree with you. But, even though they offered the job to him, they or he have not committed to the terms. Negative information coming forward allows subtle things like offering him a salary of $38,000.00 per year, or no benefits at all with a salary of $60,000.00, or a probationary period with the salary expected and the benefits, but, anytime during the probationary period that he is stopped and booked for DUI, or produces unacceptable work, he will be gone.
I would just like to see the Town protected and for the money they are offering, they can pick and choose better than they have.

marny wrote:

...I am hopeful he will do a good job.

Me too..that's all we CAN do now.

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Let me remind you all that he worked for a MAYOR in a CITY government format. could this background be the reason the BoS is so hot-to-trot on this guy? Can't you just hear it:

"We have this dude who has the experience and will implement the transition to a mayoral government format, and become the Numero Uno Lackey to hizzoner, the Mayor."

I may be wrong, but.......

I actually think that this was not the best choice the BOS could have made, the candidate from the "TA circuit" had actual experience in the role. I also have a real issue with the DUI's. But, I am all for giving people chances.
I do not believe for a single second that this was the best choice for the community, the city of Lawrence has some pretty serious financial problems, under his watch. I think this was the best choice for the BOS and their agenda (including a Mayor).

The biggest problem for me, right now, is getting the room to stop spinning.  No, only 4 or 5 drinks a year.  I am talking about the above blogs.  I feel like we have been set up with a big brew ha ha over the TA and his record.  Are we being swayed from going forward to our next election?  We have one person willing to risk all for Wareham.  Do we have a second?  If not, shouldn't we be looking for a second prospect for selectman?  Shouldn't we be helping our first prospective candidate for selectman?

I am not happy that the town has the reputation of hiring TA's from off the "sale" rack.  Did this TA candidate tell the selectmen and they told him to just be quiet over his OUI record?  I wouldn't put it past them.  I read some of the blogs from where he works and some liked him and some didn't.  That will be the way it is in Wareham no matter who the CURRENT BOS choose.
The BOS don't care.  Why?  Because when our form of government changes to a Mayoral town, they will tell him he is no longer needed.  I truly believe that this is what the selectmen believe and expect!

No, two drunk driving arrests are not good.  Usually, it means that they only have been caught twice.  Did he smarten up?  Did he stop drinking and driving?  Only he knows that.  You don't just go to a few AA meetings.  You need to make a firm commitment to AA and yourself.   If he is chosen as our new TA we have to welcome him.  Wareham citizens don't need another enemy sitting in a big chair every week.  Maybe this man will be approachable.  Maybe he will force accountibility from the BOS and Department Heads.  Maybe he will find Wareham to be the beautiful town that we know it as.  He could surprise us all.  I work a night shift and would probably be on the road if he stopped for a few drinks some night, so of course I am concerned.  I just don't want to hear it anymore.  Don't forget, I've been here all my old life and I could make a shopping list of all the town workers, business owners, fire and police department members, civilians, rich bitches and low lifes that had drinking problems.  This is not in any way involving anyone presently employed by the town in any capacity.  I am going way back!  And, the town was not as built up as it is now. 

I believe Mr. Paulson wrote earlier about getting some young blood in town.  That's one of those things that could go either way.  Good or Bad?  Afraid to take a risk or gung ho - let's do it attitude.  They are our future leaders.

Let's hope that if the BOS select Mr. Andrews, we can guide him in the right direction, if he will accept dialogue from the citizens. 

Oh, I almost forgot, our Part-Time Chief........didn't he get in a fight in a bar or was driving impaired?  I honestly can't remember, but he is now Chief of two departments.  Does anyone know how much he is getting paid each week?

PLEASE, don't be angry about what I have written.  This is my town and it hurts to see how it is being run by the BIG CHAIR sitters.   Most of what I wrote I think I am questioning more than making a stand.  We may have a smokescreen in front of us and we could be losing valuable time to find another candidate to run for selectman (Larry?).

Dan

I have been talking with many people over the past few months, attending various neighborhood meetings and events.

I can tell you that people are fed up with the current leadership and the organizational machine that put them in power.

There are no official candidates until after the 1st of the year. I am sure there are a few for the Selectmans positions.I recently read somewhere that there may be an interesting development in the Moderator's race, no confirmation but BB vs JD would be a great campaign to watch.