ihateliz wrote:

SO WHY IS HE DOING THIS TO DRIVR OUT PEOPLE FROM RUNNING FOR SELECTMAN

I think you hit the nail on the head.... well candidate X, you never called for an audit of the library when their "dirty little secret" was exposed.  How can you even think to run for selectman.

I don't know kinsailman, my fine Irish friend..Methinks he and Brenda have a cozy relationship..just a hunch..

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IHL: I am used to your misspelling and use of all caps, but you should know that your use of the terms  "JUE RABBIES" and "JUEAS RABBIES" is offensive, at least to me.  Even with the proper spelling, i.e., Jew rabbis or Jewish rabbis, since all rabbis are Jewish adding the modifier is ungrammatical.  Prefacing rabbi with Jew or Jewish is something anti-Semites do.

I trust this was inadvertent.

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Did anyone else find Michael S. comment on wicked local interesting? Someone had mentioned they would see him in April (assuming they are talking about the elections since the word on the street is that he and Ellen are running) and he said in response he felt it would be more like after the holidays?

Also, in terms of the town investigating the library. The proper authorities should be notified by Mr. Slager and his witness. If the town attempts to investigate this they have no real ability to bring anyone up on charges. It is obvious that whether real or made up this story has some people thinking. That is the real tragedy of this situation.

I believe that if there is evidence it should be brought to the proper authorities. Also, in this great land no one is going to get convicted of any wrong doing based on something like a ledger that may or may not have existed. In criminal cases the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. I think there mere fact that the ledger is gone and only one or two people can attest to its existance would certainly create doubt in a reasonable person.

Also, none of us know if in fact someone did see a ledger, how do we know that incriminates anyone?

I also think that you have to put this in perspective, there are some very wealthy people who have supported the library over the years. Usually these people have their taxes done by an accountant, and sometimes their money is handled by another person. Many of these people have no interest in risking a jail term to save a few bucks on their taxes!

This is where I am struggling with this whole thing. The story as presented just doesn't "add up".

Regardless of whether it is truth or fiction it has created an even deeper divide within the community, which is disheartening.....

Cara: I agree 100 per cent with something in excess of 90 percent of what you have said, but  without realizing it you have lent credence to Bobo's delusionary story: e.g.  ".....the mere FACT that the ledger is gone and only one or two people can attest to its existence....."   By making it a "fact" that it is "gone"  implies that it actually existed. The only "fact" is that the ledger being talked about has never been seen by a known live person!     .......and by saying,  "only one or two people can attest to its existence," you are planting , as if a true observation, that something that has not been seen by any known live person, has been "attested to" by these unknowns".

The whole situation is totally upside down....We mouth "innocent until proven guilty", and then support 
the notion that  we must make the people being falsely charged  submit to a process  that re-inforces the  totally unfounded charges  of a  twisted madman!   Slager is the one who must be investigated. ...yet  here we are impling that everybody who has been generous to the library ought to endure the stigma of an investigation!  His primary goal isn't to put people in jail...just wrecking their reputations will serve his purpose just fine.

It's obvious what he will do with this post: "Aha!....Wheeler is trying to block an investigation into his  wife's   mysterious generosity...." 

I'm sure that real investigative journalists and all the organizations whose acromyms we toss around would be crawling all over this place if   we  could just give them one teeny weeny bit of evidence. The key to getting Wareham back on a road to good health is  getting rid of that obscenely evil  nutcase from Halifax.
He must be made to produce something REAL.  He's just jerking all of us around......and should be the focus of any investigation that should happen.

( I'm not angry at YOU, Cara, but as you may have noticed, I am monumentally fed up with Slager....We've got to get rid of him.)

Dick:
You are right, what I meant to say was that in a court of law the fact that there is no ledger means, in fact, that for the purposes of introducing this alleged piece of damning evidence that it doesn't exist. I doubt a judge would even allow testimony to it, especially if there are allegedly 123+ people involved and only 2 can testify. Then we have the issue of credibility. I think we all know that at least one of these individuals has an axe to grind and I suspect that grudge goes well beyond MJP and the library.....
In any event, I am still pretty sleep deprieved and should probably wait to comment until life gets a but more normal, that way I can communicate better!
Now, what I will say is that I do not necessarily doubt that MJP kept a record of donors, most non-profits do keep donor information. I guess I do believe that somewhere is a donor list and that is not something MJP would have taken when she retired. That information is valuable to solicit future donations! But, no, I do not believe that anyone was laundering money or cheating on their taxes. For the record, that has nothing to do with the fact that I know many of those who fall into the categories (although they are all upstanding citizens in their own right), it has to do with the sheer absurdity of the claim.
No one would do this, not for the few dollars, and MJP did not have the power to force some of the communities wealthiest families into doing illegal things. Finally, the thought that all these people could keep quiet for all these years is crazy. There is an old saying (thanks Liz), the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead!
Finally, if some of the communities wealthiest families were really concerned about this whole bit of non-sense don't you think they would "lawyer up" pretty quickly?
I am sorry, I did not mean to speak as if I believe there ever was an evil ledger. I think I need a nap!

Dick: I agree with you. The Big Lie by its very nature can easily draw one into a funnel rather than maintaining objectivity. I also strongly agree one of the real issues is why hasn't Slager been investigated; the second and more important one in my own humble opinion is why does the Selectmentality go along with this madman? In effect, it's a repeat performance of what occured when the cloud was cast upon our police. Brucie and the Selectmentality need to be investigated too. For a great many reasons it has been proven they do not support our town because many of their decisions actually undermine much of our town's value. The fact they allow the rag to exist while subsidizing its printing should be investigated first and foremost. What were the bids? Reopen these for public scrutiny. It is a glaring sin of omission that a publication like Slager's be allowed to continue and mouth such lies about our town and that Slager's mouthing be passively acknowledged and more or less accepted. No other town that holds its own institutions as worthwhile would stand for it. It is an outrage!

Wow, just catching up a little, and only have a few minutes...

What a great thread, as I was reading through it..I was thinking, people talk about civil discourse..well here it is. ihatelz said something, urneighbor then wrote what I was thinking back to "her", I loved "her" response...Cara raised the point about Mike Schneider/ election (hehehe)..and then raised some other great points...Dick called her on the one point that should be made (IMO)..still with me?..Ms Lilly chimes in, everyone tries their best to set her straight (civilly)..and finally, Bill (your awesome Bill) reaches the point that she's done..Given ample opportunity to prove otherwise, the recognition that she (and Bobo) deserve as "smokescreens", and the futility in attempting to engage them as anything other than that is a beautiful thing (IMO)..
..a moment of ZEN for me everyone, thank you..
..oooohhhhmmmmmmmmmm.

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