That is stupid.  We've had no hotels since the beginning of time.  We can handle two. 

Brucey, if you really want to help...pay your damn taxes.

marny its not WESTFIELD so who would he endorse it..??

marny wrote:

In the rag Andrea Smith wrote an article on the planning board and the Bay Point development.

“ If approved the proposal could bring to the site 125 age restricted housing units (85 market rate condominiums, 40 affordable rental units), a muti-use destination resort complete with a hotel swimming and tennis complex refurbished golf course and a function has with a capacity in excess of 300 guests”

The plan could bring as much as 90 million in construction to the town. Guess who opposes this plan. Sweet Brucey

“We already have a hotel with function capacity on the highway, that’s the optimum.  We’ve got a hotel and frankly I don’t want to compete with it” He is of course referring to the hotel Makepeace is going to build. As for the age-restricted housing  Sweet Bruce said “It’s not lost on me that your architect opposes Westfield” 

This really bothered me when I read it. I think we get enough summer people to  support two hotels, but Brucey only wants one. One hotel will offer a golf course one doesn’t. One is close to Onset and near the beaches the other is in West Wareham. Does he only want affordable housing that he approves of and someone who opposes Westfield  is automatically given a tough time? At the meeting tonight the Ceda director mentioned the Bay Point project and having more meetings to protect the town’s interest. What the hell does that mean? If there is a problem tell us or is just because Brucey doesn’t like the project.

They go on and on about all the development they want in downtown Wareham How about letting someone develop something in Onset to help Onset. Something doesn’t smell right about this. I think Brucey is going to do everything he can to screw up this development.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Wasn't there ownership of the Bay Pointe at one time that involved Wareham?  The proposal for Bay Pointe sounds like some-thing Onset needs.  A nice section of town, plenty of parking and a large hall to accommodate the larger class reunions, weddings, etc. that have had to go out of town in the past.  How nice.        I do have a problem with the amount of $90,000,000 being brought into Wareham from construction.  Who ever gets the bid, will probably not be a Wareham company.  As in the mall, construction was done by an out of town company.  Did they hire any Wareham people?  I was told that a few residents were hired.   Where did their supplies come from?  Morse Lumber, Home Depot?  Don't know for sure, but I have my doubts. (anyone, please enlighten me if you can)  Most construction workers bring their lunch. The "Supers" may hit a restauant for lunch.  Maybe they hit a packy on the way home or stop for a beer to get the dirt or plaster out of their mouths.  Maybe stop for gas & cig's at Cumby's.  After a hard day, they want to go home.  When pay day comes, do you think these workers, laborers are stopping to buy groceries or clothes here.  No, the check goes home with them and the money goes into their town.  I don't really have a problem with that, it's been going on forever.    So, is the 90 million for permits & licenses?  Is the engineer drawing up the plans from Wareham?  Landscaping - done by locals?  No.  Maybe after it is initially installed a Wareham company may get the job of greens/ground keeper.  In MY opinion, very little money will come into this town from construction!  I think that's okay, though, because we need something like this in Onset, and the taxes will help.  When the CEDA board said they planned more meetings to protect the town's interest, does this mean we own it?

Reading further in the article it states " construction of affordable housing would be left in the hands of the town with Bay Point providing acreage for the construction in exchange for abutting acreage currently under the control of CEDA."

Wouldn't it be nice if the town built affordable housing where the residents could have a golf course, tennis courts and a swimming pool. Brucey said the complex would generate to much traffic. Cruz actually spoke up and said Onset recently had 20,000 people that were able to get in and out of Onset. Donahue also was in favor of the plan because she likes to play golf. The only person that seemed to be against it was Brucey.

The director of CEDA was right when he said at Tuesday night's meeting that developers watch what happens in Wareham. If developers are blocked or questioned about every move they make they will not want to come to Wareham. Time is money and they want to get whatever it is built and up and running so they can pay back the banks. The micro-management of this board of selectman is ridiculous.

" the planning board will move forward with plans to bring a request before October's Special Town meeting for necessary by-law changes to support the project." So it sounds like the planning board is behind the project.

marny wrote:

In the rag Andrea Smith wrote an article on the planning board and the Bay Point development.

“ If approved the proposal could bring to the site 125 age restricted housing units (85 market rate condominiums, 40 affordable rental units), a muti-use destination resort complete with a hotel swimming and tennis complex refurbished golf course and a function has with a capacity in excess of 300 guests”

The plan could bring as much as 90 million in construction to the town. Guess who opposes this plan. Sweet Brucey

“We already have a hotel with function capacity on the highway, that’s the optimum.  We’ve got a hotel and frankly I don’t want to compete with it” He is of course referring to the hotel Makepeace is going to build. As for the age-restricted housing  Sweet Bruce said “It’s not lost on me that your architect opposes Westfield” 

This really bothered me when I read it. I think we get enough summer people to  support two hotels, but Brucey only wants one. One hotel will offer a golf course one doesn’t. One is close to Onset and near the beaches the other is in West Wareham. Does he only want affordable housing that he approves of and someone who opposes Westfield  is automatically given a tough time? At the meeting tonight the Ceda director mentioned the Bay Point project and having more meetings to protect the town’s interest. What the hell does that mean? If there is a problem tell us or is just because Brucey doesn’t like the project.

They go on and on about all the development they want in downtown Wareham How about letting someone develop something in Onset to help Onset. Something doesn’t smell right about this. I think Brucey is going to do everything he can to screw up this development.

Marny, I think you are speaking about Bay Pointe as the something to be developed in Onset.  If you are, I agree 100%.  Onset in years gone by was THE place to be.  The beach with rafts (wish they were back) and hardly a space to drop your blanket.  Night time people walked.  They walked everywhere, sometimes 3-4 abreast on the sidewalks so you would have to step around them to walk by.  Laughter, music, pizza slices, ice cream and much more.  The only problem that Onset has right now is that there is no where to park, whether paying or free.  The spots along Onset Ave in the center should be limited for people doing business. Union Ave. at and including Onset Ave. towards the Stonebridge should be free, with the exception of a couple of spaces for the coffee/candy shop.  Kenny's has their own lot, small though it is.  We are a beach community.  We also have some great little shops in Onset center, but no place to park.

The once busy main street of Wareham is practically dead and we have plenty of parking.  It is banks, insurance companies and a little food.  The cute little shops on Main Street are being unnoticed.  We need a facelift by getting more business in the center.  Rent is high in Onset & Wareham.  These buildings are paid for by the most part.  Come down on the rent.  Rent for enough to pay the taxes, ins., etc and a little profit of course, but doesn't it make sense to have income to pay the taxes, etc., rather than an empty bldg that you still have to pay taxes, etc. on out of your pocket?  Tax write off - not enough.

I must be angry today.  Sorry, good bloggers but I just couldn't hold it in any longer.

danoconnell wrote:

Bornof...you NEVER have to apologize for anything.
We all appreciate you.

I just hope they don't take me as attacking their blogs, because I wasn't.  Even with the article by Andrea, I wasn't attacking her.  Are these selectmen and TA blind?  Do they have tunnel vision?  Why aren't they asking the citizens of Wareham how they feel?  We, the tax paying residents of Wareham, are the majority.  We vote you into office so that you will work towards what the tax paying residents, as a majority--want!  We don't elect you to disgrace us and our town.  We don't elect you to ignore what the majority wants.  We don't elect you to waste our hard earned dollars on computer audits.  We don't elect you serve as the masters of our police department.    So, from my end (formerly a silent majority) ..........WE JUST WON'T ELECT YOU AGAIN!

Born… I didn’t think you were attacking. I know there are parking problems in Onset. We did somehow manage to find parking for the 20,000 people at the festival and for the fire works. I guess I was thinking more of the hotel or conference center as a kind of introdution to Onset and once they decide they like it they might want to rent a place in Onset for the summer instead of going onto the Cape. The parking problems in Onset and downtown are examples of issues that should be addressed by the selectman and Ceda. Instead they put all there energy into one single road in town. However you look at it a hotel, function hall and golf course will provide jobs.

My concern in starting this thread was Brucey’s objection to the hotel saying we already have one, which isn’t exactly true since it isn’t even built yet. If the selectman sends another nasty email to Makepeace they may decide to pull the whole project. The idea that he thinks we should only have one hotel in town was just weird. Also Brucey bringing up the fact that he knew the architect was an opponent of Westfield. Why even mention that, the meeting was about Bay Pointe not Westfield. I don’t know it seemed strange to me.

thank you pshooter (:

At one point in time, the Town of Wareham owned all of the land now known as Bay Pointe. The town owned and operated the golf course, under the directorship of EDIC.
The town sold the golf course and adjoining land, all but a small lot in the middle (I don't remember the acreage the town retained, but I seem to think maybe 3 acres?) The land was held out by the town with the intention that the town would build an Inn/Conference center, again under the control of EDIC. The town still owns this parcel sitting square in the middle of Bay Pointe.
If the town wishes to now make a deal with the owners of Bay Pointe to sell this land/trasnfer this land to them, I would then have to ask if the town first would be required to get legislative approval. Seems to me that years ago a town admiinstrator told me that a town cannot sell town owned land without going through legislative approval. Not sure if that's correct, but worth checking on. If so, there would need to be an article on town meeting floor to dispense of town owned land and then you would need to follow the legal process to do so. I believe even putting it out to bid?