#1 2009-08-27 21:27:50

Mr Slager,

There's an old saying that everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not to his own facts.  With this as my guide, I have dissected many of your recent posts, citing inaccuracies, times when you don't include all of the facts, and areas where you draw improper conclusions based on what you have written.  While you have accused me of being a "yahoo" who wants to force others to share my opinions, I have to assume this is merely an attempt to paint me in a negative light so that readers will not see through your techniques like I have.  Where I have pushed my opinion in these corrections, it has been as a result of introducing facts that change the tone of your story; this includes both things you choose to leave out, as well as incorrect or irrelevant things you choose to include.

You have called me a liar on more than one occasion, oftentimes distorting what I have written to support your claim, and you refuse to post anything on this site even though other members started a thread offering to welcome you here.  I have shown examples of many misleading posts that you have made on your website, and I refuse to comment on your site because the public shouldn't have to "pay to play" to post opinions and corrections, and I will not be censored like you have censored others.  Therefore, in order to get to the bottom of this, I have a proposal for you.  I will set up a new blog, tentatively titled "The Real Truth About Wareham" (though I am very much open to different titles).  This blog will have two people allowed to post on it - me, and you.  It will be a place where we can discuss and debate the issues as individuals, without any "hateblogging" having an effect on it.

I have previously proposed this challenge in another discussion, but I am posting it again here as a new thread because I have not seen a response from you via email or on your website.  I can only assume that this means that you didn't see the post, even though you claim to save all of them on your hard drive - after all, why else would you not respond?  As "Shooter" said, and as I agreed, you have "stones", so I can't imagine you would just ignore such a challenge.  I'm sure if you decline, you'll cite something about it not being worth your time to argue with a "liar", or find another way to try to brush me away.  I assure you Mr Slager, the public sees through excuses like that, and recognizes it for what it is - just another tactic.  Denying this opportunity will not show anything about me, as I will continue to correct your posts here.  It will, however, show that you are unwilling to have a reasonable conversation on a 'neutral field', with someone who is willing to do all of the work to set it up.

As I mentioned in my original proposal, we will need to have some ground rules.  I suggest that our initial discussions be around these ground rules, but I do have some suggestions:


  1. I will not be revealing my identity.  Much like we both agree that "Paul Shooter" should be allowed to write editorial content under a pseudonym, I hope you will agree that others should be afforded that right as well.

  2. All claims and statements must be cited.  No outlandish claims or accusations without evidence.

  3. All questions posed must be answered directly, unless they are logical fallacies.  For example, there is no way to answer "So, have you stopped beating your wife?" Note that I'm not accusing anybody of anything, that's just the classic example for that type of question - if you say "yes", that means you used to be a wife beater...if you say "no", it means you still are.  There's no way to answer "I never hurt my wife".  I have seen several examples where you have attempted to use this technique to corner other people, and I will not stand for it..

  4. I assume that the majority of the discussion will focus on the current political situation and controversies, but I am open to other topics as well.

  5. Given your history with having a newspaper in the town, it is likely that you have far more historical knowledge and contacts from whom you can get further information.  With this in mind, I may need longer to respond to your question(s), depending on what they are.  I hope you understand this.  However, in situations where this is the case, I will respond quickly saying that I need to do some research, and give an estimate of when I will have the response.  Obviously, if you're up against a deadline, you can do the same

  6. We take turns in our posts - no stacking up multiple questions/positions while the other person is trying to respond


Mr Slager, despite what you claim I am not challenging your opinions - we both know that there is no way that an opinion can be "right" or "wrong".  I am challenging, though, how you derive and present those opinions.  It is my opinion that many of your writings are misleading, misguided, and irresponsible - NOT because of what your opinions are, but because of how you attempt to support them.  Therefore, this challenge is about the facts and the underlying arguments you make, as well as what you see wrong with my arguments.  Finally, please note again that I will be continuing to point out the inaccuracies and flawed arguments that you lay forth, whether it is on this site or on one where we can discuss it.  The ball is now officially in your court Mr. Slager - if you choose to respond, please either post something in the public area of your website, or email me.  I look forward to your response, and hope that we can have a series of productive discussions.

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#2 2009-08-28 23:54:31

No luck with the challenge?

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#3 2009-08-29 00:14:14

The gauntlet has been thrown Bobo.
In a battle of wits, it wouldn't be fair. TKO in the first, I'ld bet.

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PShooter

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#4 2009-08-29 08:12:37

Come on Bobo take the challenge! Whats the matter did you leave your stones in the old office? Did the landlord throw them away? Did you leave them by Liz's light when it went out? Come on Bobo you can do this from the new office (unless someone flushes). We can't wait to see you in action Bobo. Take the challenge you stoneless asshole.

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#5 2009-08-29 09:40:28

Larry, no luck.  He has my email address (from the email that I sent him before I started posting here), I have not seen anything publicly available on his site, and he has not sent me an instant message, even though I added his 'warehamobserver' username to my buddy list.  I guess we'll just chalk this up to experience - no matter how strongly he claims to be on the side of truth and justice, when the 'facts' and support for his positions are challenged, he backs down.  It would be funny if it wasn't so sad...

That being said, it's been several days since I issued the challenge in one of the other threads.  Once this one hits 48 hours old, I'm going to officially pull back the challenge.  I have plenty of other things going on in live that I don't need to take the time to setup another site when this forum is available, but I felt that it could have been useful enough to the people of Wareham if it existed.  However, if Slager doesn't even have the dignity to respond, I'm not going to keep pushing the issue.  The truth is a great disinfectant, as they say, so I'll continue to post the truth here, and hope that voters who have not yet made up their mind read his stories and my responses before deciding.  Some of his followers will never believe anything I write, and that's fine - they're going to be in the minority.  What I truly hope, though, is that those people who are open to new ideas will see the responses and get a better understandings of the facts behind his stories and the tactics he uses to push his positions.  Who knows, sometimes I may even agree with what he says, and if he posts things in his public site that I agree with, I'll comment on that here.  For the record, I mostly agreed with what he said about the charter committee dropping the ball, but I don't want him to flip out about me "violating his copyrights" by posting about it here.

So, Rob, the long and the short of it is that if you wish to participate in this discussion so that we can really get to the truth behind what's being reported, please respond by 21:27:49 Eastern Time today.

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#6 2009-08-29 09:48:28

Come on Bobo. Show us you are the man you claim to be. We know you are reading this site. We know you are ignoring this challenge. Be the man - take the challenge.

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#7 2009-08-29 10:47:39

COME ON BOBO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE YOU WUSS. DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH CASUAL I HAVE CHALLENGED BOBO TO MANY THINGS AND HE HAS NEVER ACCEPTED ANY OF MY CHALLENGES. HE IS A COWARD, NOTHING MORE.

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#8 2009-08-29 11:01:10

some challenges he might except:


bagel eating contest
pathalogical liars challenge
2nd grade spelling bee (still lose)
shameless schlepping for money while rest of the internet is free
worst dressed awards
most pathetic (insert all here)

how to destroy a town you don't live in
ink by the barrel on 5$ A DAY

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#9 2009-08-29 12:23:52

SLAGER BANS A PAYING CUSTOMER. NO FREAKIN WONDER WHY THIS GUY HAS HIS OFFICE IN HIS HOME BATHROOM. WORST BUSINESSBOY EVER!

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#10 2009-08-29 15:11:31

Hey, give him a break. He's giving it careful consideration.



PShooter

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#11 2009-08-29 23:35:27

Alrighty then - Robert Slager has obviously been reading this site over the past 48 hours, as he posted an amusing repsonse to Dick Wheeler's comments from earlier this evening, and also made edits to articles when I had pointed out the mistruths.  I'm going to consider his lack of response via email, public notice on his site, or instant message to be a denial of the challenge.  I'm sure he'll come up with some cockamamie reason why it was really an unfair situation, and he didn't back away from the challenge, and he'll probably even say "I was going to accept it, but acasualobserver put an unreasonable timelimit on it", but the fact is that for all of his talk about standing for truth and promoting the first amendment, he kicked someone off of his website for being disagreeable towards his positions, and he refused an opportunity to have a constructive discourse on the issues that face Wareham.  Looks like Mr. Slager's true colors are showing through.

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#12 2009-08-29 23:50:16

Shortly afterward thousands of chicken feathers were spread across the driveway and front step of the Observer’s office. Mr. Wheeler has a chicken coop at his home. Then Mr. Wheeler sent another e-mail offering suggestions for my epitaph.



CHRIST THE AMOUNT OF SHIT LEFT AT THE SLOBSERVER'S HEADQUARTER YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE REPORTED SUCH INCIDENTS. NEVER HAPPENED BOBO THE LIAR. THOUSANDS OF CHICKEN FEATHERS? TIME FOR THE STRAIGHT JACKET YOU DELUSIONAL PYCHO

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#13 2009-08-30 09:54:54

well i am glad i am a beef eater!! i am innocent an safe in all of this...hehe mr wheeler now i am banned from the site the spotlite is on you my brother from another mother...

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