#1 2009-08-20 20:34:37
There are 14,724 registered voters. In the last election for selectman only 2259 people voted. How many people show up at town meetings? If the change to a mayoral system fails, which I think it will, should we change how town meeting is run?
In this day and age shouldn’t we set up a system so voters could vote on town meeting articles via the internet? Maybe each registered voter could have a password, log on to the town meeting and vote in real time. What is the average age of the people who show up at town meeting 40 and up? A system like this may get the younger voter involved. . There are many working couples that come home, make dinner, spend time with the kids, get things ready for the next day. It is really tough for them to give up 3 or 4 hours for 2 or 3 nights straight. At least one of the parents has to stay home with the kids. Don’t you think it time we come up with a more modern way to run town meetings?
The second issue is how do we motivate these 14,724 to vote. If they took the time to register to vote why aren’t they voting? The selectmen know how to play the seniors and get their vote. The 2000 census show a little over 10,000 homes in Wareham 6200 are owner occupied. These are the people that should be concerned about property taxes and wasteful spending but only a tiny fraction show up to vote. How do we start chipping away at the apathy?
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#2 2009-08-20 20:41:47
Some towns have their meetings on Saturday and in the fall and spring,giving up a saturday does not seem like a great sacrifice to make for the town.
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#3 2009-08-20 20:46:32
That would be a good start. I know some people have suggested changing the voting day from Tues to Sat.
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#4 2009-08-20 20:56:56
searay... I'm amazed at the number of people I talk to that don't seem to care what is going on. I think they would be motivated if we could show them in detail how much money is being wasted. If we had an accurate number of how much we spend on just the lawyers, I think people might care. But if the finance committee can't get the numbers, how can we?
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#5 2009-08-20 21:31:22
marny i agree that is why i have talked to pshooter and bob brady to get a greatest hits highlights dvd to show people the lack of respect from the bos and town moderator towards residents, bob bradys breakdown of legal fees and pending court cases 38 current i believe and lawyer fees on top of that because of the bos and its lack of public records transparency and public records disappeariing in my case, i want to show this dvd to other a picture is worth a thousand words and hard to deny the evidence..
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#6 2009-08-21 00:32:01
LIZdaGNOME wrote:
marny i agree that is why i have talked to pshooter and bob brady to get a greatest hits highlights dvd to show people the lack of respect from the bos and town moderator towards residents, bob bradys breakdown of legal fees and pending court cases 38 current i believe and lawyer fees on top of that because of the bos and its lack of public records transparency and public records disappeariing in my case, i want to show this dvd to other a picture is worth a thousand words and hard to deny the evidence..
I agree about the lack of respect from the BOS & co.. That would never had happened back in the day, but I didn't realize there are 38 current pending court cases. What are they possibly about? Can you give me a small rundown? Thanks. DVD sounds like a good idea. Sat. town meetings, too.
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#7 2009-08-21 06:59:27
All very interesting folks. People register to vote in state elections and don't get involved at the local level. I've said all along that you must educate people. The Courier and ST don't get to every house. So we need to figure out a way to get the word out.
Here is an example of information apathy--a neighbor was walking by our house yesterday and stopped to chat with my husband who asked if she was getting ready for hurricane Bill. The woman had no clue what he was talking about. Now, it's been on the local news channels for days, and in a coastal community, hurricanes can be a big deal. If people aren't interested in local and national news, why would they care about the town they live in?
Here is where we must get creative. The ad in the paper for the community meeting was good. The turn out was fine, but not when you consider that many of the people in the audience were the "choir" and didn't need to be preached to. There were some bos supporters, so those don't count as the people we really want to educate since most have their minds made up. How many were newbies wanting to learn about what is happening in their town? We need ideas and we need bodies.
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#8 2009-08-21 08:48:52
Molly wrote:
All very interesting folks. People register to vote in state elections and don't get involved at the local level. I've said all along that you must educate people. The Courier and ST don't get to every house. So we need to figure out a way to get the word out.
Here is an example of information apathy--a neighbor was walking by our house yesterday and stopped to chat with my husband who asked if she was getting ready for hurricane Bill. The woman had no clue what he was talking about. Now, it's been on the local news channels for days, and in a coastal community, hurricanes can be a big deal. If people aren't interested in local and national news, why would they care about the town they live in?
Here is where we must get creative. The ad in the paper for the community meeting was good. The turn out was fine, but not when you consider that many of the people in the audience were the "choir" and didn't need to be preached to. There were some bos supporters, so those don't count as the people we really want to educate since most have their minds made up. How many were newbies wanting to learn about what is happening in their town? We need ideas and we need bodies.
molly i have said i will pass out flyers on cars s&s, walmart, shaws hell ill even sit outside these places for a few hours on the weekends and chit chat up our meetings i want a highlights dvd to make copies and handout, ill walk neighborhoods door to door also, have get to gethers at houses talk about it, i tell everyone i come in contact with(grocery store employees, dunkin donuts, gas stations) the sqeaky wheel will get heard... i have found out even more things going on in our town the past few weeks from talkin to others and hearing thier stories..
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#9 2009-08-21 08:49:14
Molly,
What's wrong with the choir ? I've always been of the mindset that if you have a great choir, more people will want to sing along.
You've identified the needs but no suggestions. Can you bring your neighborhood together for a grassroots meeting ? This is what its going to take to bring more folks to the choir.
What other methods would you suggest to get the word out and what are you willing to do to make that happen ?
Enough talk...we need doers. We've got plenty of talkers. Look what lip service has got us. We need to change that with new leaders that "do". We've heard more than enough about "vision". Everyone has great "vision" but it doesn't appear (pun intended) that anyone is seeing. We've got to make them see.
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#10 2009-08-21 09:49:41
You are right Bob. And hey, I love the choir but the point I was trying to make is we need to get those people who are clueless.
Take a look at the blog threads that have only one comment or no extra comments. They total 75 for the no comment and 160 for an additional look see. So even here, we only have a handful of people.
When you tried to get the "community" together, look what happened. I know several people who decided not to go to the meeting when it became political with the rag and bos business. And since the meeting, there has been no movement forward. That's not a criticism. But maybe working behind the scenes is what needs to be done right now.
Why don't some of you who use your own name here, call a meeting of the choir? Or just invite the people you think are sympathetic to the cause? A private meeting where you can decide who comes to the meeting. Then get subcommittees to work on an election committee, a PR committee, a charter/mayor committee etc.???
Keep in mind that some people here don't want to come too far out of the blog closet for obvious reasons, but maybe would help behind the scenes.
I still say, educate people. And the way to do it is to show people how their taxes have been wasted. Hit people in their pocket books and they sit up and listen. Not too many people care about issues that don't impact their daily lives. For example, I know some people in town who couldn't have named our last chief of police. Do you think they care what's happening with this new interim guy? Or with a new chief? Same with the TA and ITA situation. McAulliffe who is what I have heard. Apathy plain and simple---until it has a dollar sign in front of it $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Raise the sewer fee? Cut sports from school because of no money? Increase your health care costs? Raise property taxes??
Remember how much press and notice the save our library signs got? Your'e Tax Dollars Are Being Wasted signs would wake up a few people.
I see the leaders on this site---Steve, Larry and Liz, Bob. We look to you. Team leaders?? I don't have the answers but as part of the choir I could bring a posse along with me to "sing along" as Bob said and I'm sure many people who blog on this site or just visit it could do the same.
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#11 2009-08-21 10:32:25
There are several things in the works at this point. First, I know we are organizing a meeting of our local community. I'm not sure how many people will turn out , but if 15 people turn out and half of them learn something that will make them angry or educate them on the current Selectmen, then we have more people than we started with. If those people turn around and tell more people, we can grow this effort. If we can bring people together in their own neighborhoods and begin the process to present what is happening now, and why we need change,
I know there are many who either want to remain in the background or have good concerns to NOT speak out in public, but those are still votes we can count on. Hopefully, there will come a time when the fear mongers are gone and everyone can speak openly. The only way to achieve this through effort on our part.
Bill W's site has been the catalyst for change. It allows all of us a voice in this movement. Now we have to go forward and use that voice to make change a reality.
There are several people gathering facts to present at the meeting. Just because it's a local community meeting, it doesn't mean you can't attend. I plan to attend a few of these. Facts are important in making the case!
We have important warrants on the town meeting and an election to prepare for. Let's make this work!
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#12 2009-08-21 10:48:44
Look at the number of "hits" on this site.
Two thousand voters participated in the last election?
There are over 1000 hits on a lot of posts on this site.
Who says you don't have the numbers and power. Don't forget, when you look at the "hits" and see the number of posts, it means that many people are not willing to come out front of the issues.
But, they are looking and they are listening, and they WILL VOTE!
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#13 2009-08-21 11:40:00
Dan,
You also have to account for the number of hits Slager makes daily while writing his articles :) I would also suggest the Selectmen and Bonehead moderator visit this site.
I do agree there are several people in the woodwork that have much at stake and would prefer not to be openly associated with this movement. Those people will vote for change.
I think what is critical is just to get people to vote. The hype lately in this town is helping that, but we need to take it a step further and educate the people. There is a DVD in the works (which should be great), tshirts, meetings, and a big meeting coming in October right before the town meeting.
I am curious about the Onset community and we will know more when we have our community meeting there!
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#14 2009-08-21 11:51:37
Great news about an Onset meeting, Larry.
I am happy to hear that the Onset community will be solicited to participate in perhaps the most important Town Meeting and election in the last century.
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#15 2009-08-21 13:28:05
Molly wrote:
All very interesting folks. People register to vote in state elections and don't get involved at the local level. I've said all along that you must educate people. The Courier and ST don't get to every house. So we need to figure out a way to get the word out.
Here is an example of information apathy--a neighbor was walking by our house yesterday and stopped to chat with my husband who asked if she was getting ready for hurricane Bill. The woman had no clue what he was talking about. Now, it's been on the local news channels for days, and in a coastal community, hurricanes can be a big deal. If people aren't interested in local and national news, why would they care about the town they live in?
Here is where we must get creative. The ad in the paper for the community meeting was good. The turn out was fine, but not when you consider that many of the people in the audience were the "choir" and didn't need to be preached to. There were some bos supporters, so those don't count as the people we really want to educate since most have their minds made up. How many were newbies wanting to learn about what is happening in their town? We need ideas and we need bodies.
Probably unlikely to happen, but wouldn't it be nice if we could get part of our message out on the billboards by Hwy. Concrete and Onset Ave.. Maybe a partial message board with a phone # or email address put up on the grass on the corner of the Rte 28-6 bypass and Depot Street, where they advertise the movies in Onset, etc. or we could take out an ad in the Observer. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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#16 2009-08-21 13:42:18
Ok. This data is from the 2000 Census Update, and it is about 5 years old. It does illustrate the problem in Onset. One third of the houses are summer properties--owners may care but they do not vote. We need to find a way to engage them in the process. Of the year-round people, about 1/3 are renters and they are less likely to vote. They need to see how the process impacts their lives.
Finally, remember that Onset is highly diverse: racially, ethnically, and economically. That is what makes it a terrific place to live. There are multimillion dollar mansions and summer beach cottages on the same block. There may not be one approach that will reach all residents.
HOUSING OCCUPANCY
Total housing units. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 910
Occupied housing units . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 568
Vacant housing units. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 342
For seasonal, recreational, or
occasional use. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 309
HOUSING TENURE
Occupied housing units . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ....568
Owner-occupied housing units . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 377
Renter-occupied housing units . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191
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#17 2009-08-21 14:45:22
LIZdaGNOME wrote:
Molly wrote:
All very interesting folks. People register to vote in state elections and don't get involved at the local level. I've said all along that you must educate people. The Courier and ST don't get to every house. So we need to figure out a way to get the word out.
Here is an example of information apathy--a neighbor was walking by our house yesterday and stopped to chat with my husband who asked if she was getting ready for hurricane Bill. The woman had no clue what he was talking about. Now, it's been on the local news channels for days, and in a coastal community, hurricanes can be a big deal. If people aren't interested in local and national news, why would they care about the town they live in?
Here is where we must get creative. The ad in the paper for the community meeting was good. The turn out was fine, but not when you consider that many of the people in the audience were the "choir" and didn't need to be preached to. There were some bos supporters, so those don't count as the people we really want to educate since most have their minds made up. How many were newbies wanting to learn about what is happening in their town? We need ideas and we need bodies.molly i have said i will pass out flyers on cars s&s, walmart, shaws hell ill even sit outside these places for a few hours on the weekends and chit chat up our meetings i want a highlights dvd to make copies and handout, ill walk neighborhoods door to door also, have get to gethers at houses talk about it, i tell everyone i come in contact with(grocery store employees, dunkin donuts, gas stations) the sqeaky wheel will get heard... i have found out even more things going on in our town the past few weeks from talkin to others and hearing thier stories..
And I bet what you are finding out hasn't been publicized anywhere. I can understand not speaking of anything that involves litigation. I have to agree with you, because from where I sit, once you get me started on "the powers that be", people are so angry that the stories that come out are almost unbelievable. Some that are never reported to the police or BOS. Some things are how they were treated by Department heads and their staff. Others are complaints about a particular one or two police officers, not those who patrol, either. No, not any LT.. Crime Watch sets off a tornado effect with a lot of folks. Mainly Coleman & 1 or 2 of "his Officers". The rest are mostly very nice people who volunteer and these people will tell me that it's not the whole Crime Watch group. Tuesday, I had the rare occasion to be driven along Weaver St. in W.Wareham. This particular part is where you enter from Main St.. And low and behold what did I see - but a white & blue sign saying Crime Watch Community. This is no joke, apparently this end of town has been a "Watcher" for years. Onset Community Crime Watch, Inc. - you may now disband your Corporation and you only need to put up signs with the watchful eye and just watch your neighbors home. Simple!
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