#66 2009-08-09 09:22:05

"Even paranoids have enemies" is an old saying, true as far as it goes.  What would be called sub-clinical paranoid ideation is quite common - it isn't a listed diagnosis but is seen all the time. Most people who have this trait deny it. They have little insight and aren't self-critical. They don't even try to stand back from themselves and try to see themselves how other's see them.

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#67 2009-08-09 09:25:26

It seems that if interested, BoB Brady could take a restraining order against BoBo and Shooter.  Now that would be justice.

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#68 2009-08-09 09:31:51

Neighbor, combine the two...you have Bobo printing (from "Paul Shooter," of course) that bloggers will get their heads beat with baseball bats, and Mr Brady could get a sock in the mouth...all attempts to stifle dissent through threats of violence.  Take it further, and that puts anyone who might speak out against Bobo in fear of getting a bat to the head or a sock to the mouth.

I'm sure late at night, when Bobo gets lonely and takes off his sock, puts it on his hand, and draws a face on it and talks to it, I'm sure he BELIEVES that's Paul Shooter, but that doesn't make Paul Shooter real. (That was just a joke Bobo, don't send anyone with a Louisville slugger for my cranium).

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#69 2009-08-09 09:48:56

Okay, I've kept my mouth shut long enough. I was on the phone with Slager during the whole ACLU mess. I called him because I wanted him to know that I talked to ACLU right after him and I wanted him to publish what the lawyer said and not his twisted interpretation. I asked him who Paul Shooter was and he told me it was a colleague he uses to interview him. Since that time, he has developed into a full person. He now has a past (apparently unsavory), and a goal (bring down the power elite bastards). The big question is, who cares????? 

Most people on here come from different backgrounds and hardly know each other. How can he know one fact about anyone on here? Slager is a game player more than he is a journalist. If you follow casualobserver's breakdowns, you really have to pity Slager. He basically is a cub reporter with a buddy of a Selectmen (Bruce). Other than that, what else does he bring to the table?

So far, he has been wrong about his big predictions (trustee suits, recall meeting, Mcaullife's severance package, etc...) , so what exactly does he know about the audit? Well, we can eliminate anything big. At the most, we have hate bloggers that work for the town. Is that "life changing"? It may be, based on the retaliation efforts that Selectmen have displayed. I am pretty sure it will get front page in the soon to be defunct Observer.

Let's just enjoy Paul Shooter for what he is, a joke. If he wanted to be a threat, he would bring in a real reporter with real skills, but that isn't going to happen.

Okay, let's enjoy this great weather and wonderful Sunday!

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#70 2009-08-09 09:52:30

Hamatron,

This is where free speech crosses the line into inciting or threatening violence.

If by chance Slager has created an alter-ego in Paul Shooter, he is not only practicing highly unethical journalism but showing miserable judgment because he will eventually be caught if he's doing this and loose any shred of credibility he has left.

I think what the baseball bat comment shows is that the real Paul Shooter has a serious problem with judgment too, and very likely an impulse control problem.  If he has a history of violence I think we need to know about it and would suggest assuring that the police know about his deciding to inject himself into the local controversy in such an active manner.

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#71 2009-08-09 09:56:11

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this one was a little over the top.

Speaking of irony, what, we weren't, well we are now. The little "editorial" by Paul Shooter is actually a boomerang bomb for the ragman. In the past he's hidden behind the whole, this us just my opinion protection, but, now that there is an editorial that specifically outlines violent tendencies one needs to remember  that as an editorial it is a writer's specific opinion. So, Shooter/Slager is stating that is what he wants to do, not that someone else said it. Ironic isn't it.

Also, as I said earlier, if a complaint was filed and the DA/officers saw fit to investigate, the real Paul Shooter would have to be revealed. And, should the ragman pull the whole, I'll never reveal my sources line, well, this isn't a source, it's an employee, so the charges would be against the ragman until he comes up with a name, basically forcing him to admit he made the whole thing up.

My main motivation here is to see that the ragman gets the help that he needs. I think his behavior has shown that he is quite paranoid and delusional and needs some professional help. We should all pray that he gets the help he needs, what a pity.

And that's my opinion on that matter <- totally on purpose

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#72 2009-08-09 10:09:44

Flox,

I think you have something here. Maybe Dan or Paul Cardilino can weigh in on whether there's good cause to make a formal complaint to the police on this.

Certainly any citizen who feels threatened by this column has good cause at least to discuss it with the police and the right to file a formal complaint.

I assume you are correct that if deemed justifiable by law enforcement Robert Slager will be compelled to reveal the identity of Paul Shooter.

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#73 2009-08-09 10:34:27

"Calling all units, calling all units, please arrest the sock puppet that Bobo named Paul that he talks to during lonely nights at Rag HQ, over."

Just a joke Bobo, don't sock me in the mouth, tough guy!

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#74 2009-08-09 10:39:03

PAUL SHOOTER REVEALED

http://www.thriftyfun.com/images/articles11/sockpuppet300x386.jpg

"Well golly, Boss, you are a great reporter, and I think you should sock those power elite bastards in the mouth.  Get it?  Because I'm a sock!"

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#75 2009-08-09 10:45:02

Morning all,
Because I refuse to buy his toilet tissue or log on to his site, I'm at the disadvantage of knowing just what was written.  Although, I did see a copy on the counter of a local store with my name on the front page. 
Should I be petrified ?
Is Bobo / Shooter threatening me again ?  Understand, he (and Co.) have to discredit me at every opportunity as I'm the one challenging the leadership which he is clearly the mouthpiece for.  He's their only PATHETIC defense.  Just think,  if he didn't "write" about the BOS and their dissenters, he'd have nothing to say.
Searay,  Nice article in the paper.
Larry,  Your mailbox is full.  I wanted to congratulate you and Liz on #4.

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#76 2009-08-09 10:47:48

I believe that if a person felt threatened and feared for his safety based on the written comments of "Paul Shooter", published in a paper that claims thousands of subscribers and readers, then he certainly has the right to request the Police Department investigate.
Now, most of us know that the answer from the Police and the DA will be: we can't really do anything until something happens."
I know it sounds convoluted, but it is a fact.
However...nothing should stop the Police Dept. from sending a Police Officer or Detective to interview Paul Shooter and advise him that his threats are perceived as being true, and he needs to tone it down.
The question now is: who is the Paul Shooter they will interview?
Hopefully, someone will follow up on it.

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#77 2009-08-09 11:06:27

Thanks for the expert opinion Dan. At the very least the police should know the identity of Paul Shooter even if we don't.

As you know, if the police judge someone to be a danger to themselves OR OTHERS they can file a "Section 12", i.e. a request that the person be involuntarily hospitalized for evaluation. These are almost always granted since they can only be filed by the police or physicians and licensed mental health clinical specialists.

The patient can be held for five business days after which a judicial hearing must be held to determine whether further hospitalization is necessary.

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#78 2009-08-09 11:27:02

bbrady wrote:

Larry,  Your mailbox is full.  I wanted to congratulate you and Liz on #4.

Sorry Bob, I've cleaned it out. and, Thanks!

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#79 2009-08-09 11:34:03

I THINK ANYONE WHO FELT THREATENED TO FILE A COMPLAINT AT THE DISTRICT COURT HOUSE THIS WEEK. PAUL SHOOTER WILL EITHER HAVE TO BE REVEALED OR SLAGER WILL SAY IT WAS HIM. SLAGER FILED A COMPLAINT (THAT GOT THROWN OUT OF COURT) OVER A POEM WRITTEN BY AN ELDERLY GENTLEMAN SO WHEN SOMEONE THREATENS TO TAKE A BASEBALL BAT TO THEIR HEADS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. SLAGER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SHOOTER'S ACTIONS WHICH ARE DEPLORABLE. HE IS THE EDITOR, PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, ACCOUNTANT, TREASURER, PAPERBOY SO ITS UP TO HIM TO SEE THAT THREATS TO CAUSE BODILY HARM DO NO GET PRINTED IN HIS PAPER. GO TO THE COURTHOUSE AND FILE A COMPLAINT MONDAY

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#80 2009-08-09 11:34:26

I suspect the answer to "Who is Paul Shooter", is simple. He is made up. Slager is losing his paper in a rapid fashion and it trying to do anything to create hype and sell his nonsense. Let's be honest, when does he really report the news or factual accounts of what has happened? The answer is....NEVER.   This is the last attempt to generate a buzz that will sell.

I've read the comments of his followers and they are about the same as the Paul Shooter editorial. People with no real leadership or information. Some of chatters are even starting to question Slager's claims. He promises big things and delivers nothing.

Somewhere in the process he has lost the ability to be an objective reporter and has become a sad spin master for Selectmen.

Time to hit the ladder.

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#81 2009-08-09 11:36:11

Urneighbor...we used to call it a "Baker Act" admission.
Somewhat dangerous for a Police Officer to arbitrarily make the decision to Baker Act someone, because if it ever goes to trial, it may come back and bite the cop on the ass.
"What College or University did you receive your doctorate in psychology officer?"
Could be embarrassing.
But, it is a pleasure when the witness is someone like you who states the college or university.
Attorneys are rendered speechless.
Oxymoron?

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#82 2009-08-09 11:56:56

GWB

Was it not Mr. Slager himself that felt it within his rights to go to the police station and file a formal complaint against Bill W. because he alledged that Bill had changed a screen name to Slager on some postings? Bill W. could answer this, but did the police not follow up on the complaint by going to Bill W.'s house to chat with him about it. Mr. Slager even bragged about his supposed victory in the Observer the following week.

      I would say that anyone who feels the least bit intimidated by what was posted on Mr. Slager's site has the right to file a formal complaint against Mr. Slager himself. I would also think that since threats of violence are involved, that one could also request a restraining order against Mr. Slager/ Paul Shooter. There is no real way of knowing whether or not these threats are real or implied and that to me is unsettling.

      Mr. Slager is C.E.O. of his company. He owns his paper/website and by virtue of that he is accountable for all content within it. If he allowed something like that to be printed then it my opinion that he is every bit as responsible as the person who wrote it and he needs to be held accountable for that action.

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#83 2009-08-09 12:08:22

More info than anyone other than Dan probably wants or needs:

I don't think any of the many police officers I have known ever arbitrarily make that decision. I've never even heard that anyone who filed a Section 12 even had to go to the judicial hearing (as far as I know in Mass. usually held at the hospital). Not that it never happens but usually the police report is in the medical record and that suffices.

The hospital clinicians who evaluated the patient, always including at least one psychiatrist, present the case if they believe the person is mentally ill and a danger to themselves or others. Note they have to be considered mentally ill as well as a danger to self or others. Most people who are a danger to others AREN'T mentally ill unless you count anti-social personality (aka sociopaths).

The question of hospitalizing sociopaths is still controversial considering that many if not most of the violent prison population and even those who just violate the property rights of other would be diagnosed as sociopaths. There is no current treatment for this disorder. (The convicts at the DOC's Bridgewater State Hospital mostly have a mixed diagnosis one of which can be treated with medication.)

If you are sued by someone who you file on you'd have to show you did so in good faith and present the evidence you used to conclude they were a danger to self or others regardless of the outcome once they were evaluated. You obviously don't do this to harass someone.

Consider the consequences of NOT sectioning someone if they then go on to kill themselves or hurt someone else. Aside from your own guilt you could be sued for that too.

If your an officer if you're sued the town should pay for your legal costs and if a doctor of clinician your insurance will cover it.

By far most people are "sectioned" because a police officer, doctor or mental health clinician believes they are suicidal.

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#84 2009-08-09 12:34:09

Good point.
I guess I have a tendency to wonder "what if" too often.
Occupational hazard, I suppose.

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#85 2009-08-09 18:40:26

Bobo's Poll Question - Should resident Paul Shooter be allowed to write under a pen name?

No, he should write under his real name -

"Bobo's hand up a sock puppet's butt talking to himself during those lonely nights at Rag HQ."

http://images.southparkstudios.com/crap/downloads/preview_image_thumbnail.php?id=3139

"What's that Mr. Shooter?  You think I should chase the power elite around with a baseball bat? Oh, that sounds perfectly sane, I'll go print that in my paper right away, Mr. Shooter.  You're my new best pal, Mr. Shooter."

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#86 2009-08-09 19:11:51

AND SLAGER ALWAYS HAS CRITIZED THE "HATEBLOGGERS" FOR NOT REVEALING THEIR NAMES. I BELIEVE HE SAID THAT SINCE THAT WAS THE CASE THEY HAVE NO CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT. GEE SOUNDS LIKE SLAGER'S NEW CORRESPONDENT

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#87 2009-08-09 20:13:04

SO SLAGER KNOWS ALL THE BLOGGERS AND ALL THAT ATEENDED BRADYS MEETING AND HAS THREATNED TO HIT US ALL WITH BASE BALL BATS , I FEEL THREATNED , WILL THERE BE PROTECTION AT BRADYS NEXT MEETING FOR EX AN ARMED GUARD , HE SOUNDS LIKE HE IS GETTING MORE DERANGED EVERY DAY, AS HIS PAPER FOLDS , I ASK YOU FOLKS DO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BE SCARED OF , SHOULD THE POLICE BE CALLED IN TO TALK TO THIS PHYSCO.   HE SEEMS TO HAVE A SPLIT PESONALITY LIKE JECKEL    AND HYDE      SLAGER AND PAUL SHOOTER    EXCEPT IN THE LAST CASE THE LAST 2 ARE BOTH NUTS

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#88 2009-08-09 20:18:55

Don't worry IHL, what I have found over time is that people who are typically chicken shit make outrageous threats like that. I'll be there to protect you, if need be.  I'm not sure how much I will be able to protect you when Slager whips out his Sock Puppet Paul Shooter and starts throwing his voice. I might be on the floor laughing too hard.

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#89 2009-08-09 20:28:29

"I've offered Paul Shooter a weekly column," said Bobo.  "He's thinking about it.  But he worries that will cut into his regular job of keeping my foot from getting cold.  I hope he takes me up on the offer, because I don't have any other friends other than my socks.  It doesn't matter that he doen't agree with some of my viewpoints.  99 percent of Wareham doesn't agree with them either.  This town needs a voice like his, and that voice will sound very squeaky as I throw my voice and make Mr. Shooter talk while trying to keep people from noticing my lips are moving!"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/content/images/2009/02/12/scottish_sock_puppet_203x152.jpg

"Jeer those power elite jerkoffs, Bobo!"

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#90 2009-08-09 20:30:05

SHOOTER SAYS SLAGER  DOSNT MAKE MUCH MONEY OR HIDES IT PREETY WELL,   WELL LIZ PEZOLI SAYS HE HIDES IT AND CHEATS ON HIS TAXES, THERES YOUR ANSWER.

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