#1 2009-08-05 22:13:38
FIGHT THE BOYCOTT!
The Onset Village Market has caved to the pressure of the power elite and will no longer sell the Observer. If you are a supporter of this paper, please feel free to express your feelings to the owners. Tell them free speech matters in this country. Then by all means feel free to do your shopping somewhere else. Enough is enough. [phone number redacted]
HAHA BOBO, u suck.. I hope they all cave!!
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#2 2009-08-05 22:34:34
way to go steve and molly!!! the snowball is rollin'
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#3 2009-08-05 22:36:25
FIGHT THE BOYCOTT!
The Onset Village Market has caved to the pressure, harassment and intimidation of the power elite and will no longer sell the Observer. If you are a supporter of this paper, please feel free to express your feelings to the owners, much as I just did. Tell them free speech matters in this country. Then by all means feel free to do your shopping somewhere else. Enough is enough. 1-508-291-1440
this is the version i got at 10:34 pm 8/5/09
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#4 2009-08-05 22:38:33
I wonder if it might be a good idea to take the phone number off though. We should support this store for daring to stand up to the ungrateful Bobo the Hobo.
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#5 2009-08-05 22:39:10
"Much as I just did?" He's such a jerkoff.
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#6 2009-08-05 22:39:55
we can always call in support of their decision and back them up..
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#7 2009-08-05 22:52:11
Liz, that's a very important point. It's vital that this community support the business that take a stand against Slager. Nobody really has a number of how many people support him and his views, though I'm sure we could get a number of guesses (some serious, some sarcastic/insulting) here. But if these businesses start to lose money....well, at the end of the day it's a business decision. So get out there, vote with your feet, vote with your dollars, and make them glad they did a good thing for the community!
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#8 2009-08-05 23:11:10
Slacker you suck, a local business does not want to deal with your crap anymore and now you try to affect their business by pushing people to shop elsewhere!
SUPPORT ONSET VILLAGE MARKET! The new owners are wonderful people and deserve every ounce of support from the whole community!
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#9 2009-08-06 01:16:24
FIGHT THE BOYCOTT!
its changed again thats 3 times in 4 hours what the hell.. as you can see he doesnt have the updated times there though
Posted: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:46 pm
The Onset Village Market has caved to the pressure, harassment and intimidation of the power elite boycott and will no longer sell the Observer. If you are a supporter of this paper, please feel free to express your feelings to the owners, much as I just did. Tell them why free speech matters in this country. Then by all means feel free to do your shopping elsewhere if you so choose. Enough is enough. Nobody is forcing the power elite thought police to read the Observer. But these people have absolutely no right to tell you what you are allowed to read. That is fascism. Stand up against this kind of censorship. Please call the Onset Village Market and explain why the First Amendment matters in America. 1-508-291-1440
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#10 2009-08-06 01:58:15
Quit beggin' Bobo!!!
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#11 2009-08-06 03:23:11
Way to go Onset Village Market, Molly, Steve and everyone else on this. Hey Bobo, that ticking sound you hear is your time running out in Wareham. And not soon enough I say.
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#12 2009-08-06 04:09:44
I recommend everyone call over there today and let them know how much you favor their decision and then make a special effort from time to time to stop in and spend a buck or two in support.
Keep up the fight.
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#13 2009-08-06 06:40:10
Maybe Bobo will call for more peaceful protest against anyone who stops distributing the Rag. ALL of his supporters can show up like they did last week and P Shooter can cover it. I will be calling the Village Market to thank them and will make a special effort to shop there.
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#14 2009-08-06 06:47:27
LOOK WHAT HAPPENDED WHEN HE TRIED TO RALLY HIS TROOPS LAST THURSDAY. HE IS A PATHETIC LOSER AND I APPLAUD THE ONSET MARKET AND WILL NOW SHOP THERE. I PREVIOUSLY WOULD NOT BECAUSE OF THE OBSERVER.
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#15 2009-08-06 07:15:24
I will be stopping in the Onset Village Market today to add my thanks to those of you who plan to call or stop in.
This is great. I don't know who it was who approached the owners, but my heartfelt thanks to you.
Here is another of my famous analogies--if Ms Lilly needs help interpreting this one too, I'll be happy to further explain it:
It is not fascist to keep reading materials from people. For example--Hustler and other porno type magazines have been boycotted from many businesses or are kept under the counter. It is done so because it is OFFENSIVE to some people. In the same way, the rag is OFFENSIVE and we have simply requested that it not be sold by town businesses.
This is a great day. The library won its case against the town, and now the boycott is working. I'm a happy camper.
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#16 2009-08-06 07:53:45
I notice Bobo's post gets less and less hateful as we point out how pathetic he is. Bobo, any business that helped you for years only to get that hateful message posted on your website at the first sign of a disagreement should never support your paper again. You always did know how to burn a bridge.
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#17 2009-08-06 08:10:18
By the way Bobo, you and your cronies don't HAVE to read this site either. You certainly don't have to read it every 20 seconds the way you obviously do.
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#18 2009-08-06 08:11:50
Quote from the Slobserver: "Then by all means feel free to do your shopping elsewhere if you so choose. "
So let me get this straight, this store caved to the boycott, so supporters of the rag should boycott them because boycotts are wrong.
I must not be that bright as I can't follow any twisted logic that goes down that road.
Anyway, just chiming in to say that boycotting is not a form of censorship, its a form of fair trade. The rag is a business and many people do not agree with how that business is treating others. Each of those people has the right to voice their disapproval and urge others to not do business with that newspaper and urge other to do the same. It's the typical "say it enough times and it must be true" approach pointed out in a brilliant earlier post.
When people chose to boycott Walmart for using child labor abroad did people cry censorship, no. When the tuna industry was boycotted for harming dolphins was it censorship, no. So the ragman is stating no one ha the right to speak out against him speaking out, again I can't follow the logic there at all.
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#19 2009-08-06 08:17:18
I agree with bbrady. If you are in the area make sure you stop by and tell them in person how happy you are, that they are no longer carrying the rag. If you are a regular customer like I am, make sure everytime you buy something you thank them for no longer carrying the rag. They know who their regular customers are, so if some loud mouth like Larry Gaines goes in I don't think they will pay much attention.
Now we have to go to Bobo's other outlets and talk to the owners.
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#20 2009-08-06 08:33:07
I've been a regular reader of this blog for a long time now and more than once have come close to joining and posting. What was the one single thing that finally did it?
This phrase: "power elite thought police".
Is he serious?
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#21 2009-08-06 08:35:19
acasualobserver wrote:
Liz, that's a very important point. It's vital that this community support the business that take a stand against Slager. Nobody really has a number of how many people support him and his views, though I'm sure we could get a number of guesses (some serious, some sarcastic/insulting) here. But if these businesses start to lose money....well, at the end of the day it's a business decision. So get out there, vote with your feet, vote with your dollars, and make them glad they did a good thing for the community!
Actually, I have numbers :) I doubt they are real, but I do have his numbers.
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#22 2009-08-06 08:40:20
This is exactly what happens when you incite racial tensions. People respond by boycotting. Now, congrats to all who called for a boycott, but I think this has far more to do with someone or some good people sending a message that they will NOT tolerate racial baiting and want an apology for his actions. The true sign will be when his subscriptions drop.
Maybe if he just reported the news and quit spinning nonsense. From the emails I've received, there are far more people angered by his racial baiting than showed up for his peaceful protest! People want change!
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#23 2009-08-06 10:14:25
I tried to call Onset Village Market to show support for their decision to lose the rag. They hung up on me without even saying "hello". I don't blame them, really. Where does Bobo get off including their phone number AND telling people to "feel free to do your shopping somewhere else."
"I've burned all my bridges and now I'm stuck in Boboland"
Buh-bye Bobo.
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#24 2009-08-06 10:17:25
BOBO SAIDS THAT HE IS FOR FREE SPEECH AND IS AGAINST INTIMIDATION BUT LOOK WHAT HE DOES:
A STORE MAKES A DECISION NOT TO SELL A PARTICULAR ITEM. THAT IS THE PUREST FORM OF FREE SPEECH THERE IS AND BOBO SLAMS THEM FOR IT. THEN HE ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CALL THEM AND LIST THEIR PHONE NUMBER TO SCARE OTHER BUSINESSES FROM DOING THE SAME. VERY HYPOCRITICAL BOBO
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#25 2009-08-06 10:21:04
Wait, he included their phone number? Hmmm, so it would be okay to include email addresses from the John Donahue email on here? See, you can't have it both ways. Perhaps he should retract the phone number? Does he want his stats on this site?
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#26 2009-08-06 11:05:36
I received this lovely email from Wareham Observer last night. I obviously have the original copy. I sent a copy to the owner at Onset Village Market.
You all can make your own judgements
Steve
Mr. Holmes, how can you. possibly believe the owners of the Onset Village Market are exercising their right of free speech by not selling the Observer? I spoke with the owner. They are terrified of losing business because of your fascist boycott. I guess that would make you a terrorist, wouldn't it? Their decision has nothing to do with free speech. You put them in this position through your threats and intimidation and then you have the audacity to try to justify your actions? You make me sick, Mr. Holmes. Go move to North Korea. You'd feel right at home there.
Then you actually suggest that maybe if I had a different viewpoint none of this would happen. My god, are you a twisted human being. Do you actually think I will be intimidated by someone like you? People like you are the reason I got into this business. Thank you for reminding me of that. When the results of this audit come out, please feel free to give me a call. Then you can apologize to me.
________________________________
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#27 2009-08-06 11:14:32
Mr. Holmes, did Paul Shooter e-mail you too? Tell Bobo you'd be happy to meet with Paul Shooter to clear the air.
"Move to North Korea." Hehe, this guy is such a dink.
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#28 2009-08-06 11:15:12
Steve,
First, he used the library trustees as a carrot, and now the audit. I have to wonder if someone is talking out of school. He has mentioned a "source" that promises big things.
This is his typical response. I have emails from him that are basically the same. If we are why he got in the business, then we should assist him on his way out. It's the polite thing to do :)
Maybe someone should call the Globe and have them interview the Village Market. I am sure they will come up with a more accurate reading then the Wareham Pravda.
Now, my final point! If MANY people were supporting him, then why would anyone feel threatened by a few "power elite bastard recall crew members"? I think the tide has turned, and his rhetoric has finally started his decline.
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#29 2009-08-06 11:17:49
"Mr. Holmes, how can you. possibly believe..."
Bobo, tell Paul Shooter to get off his lazy butt and proofread your emails before they go out. Oh wait, it wouldn't matter because you and Paul Shooter write alike.
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#30 2009-08-06 11:24:27
There was an article in the globe south today on Wareham and all its problems. This was written by a real journalist who got into the business to tell the truth no doubt.
I'm wondering---do many of the CV citizens who live in Onset visit the Village Market? It's a good thing then that they will no longer carry the rag.
Putting the poor owner's phone number out there was a nasty bit of retribution. Of course they would be getting a ton of calls today. All the reason for us to stop by there today and give them some business.
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#31 2009-08-06 11:34:15
Molly, thanks for bringing this article to our attention. I've included the link below.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl … sapproval/
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#32 2009-08-06 11:39:12
JUST LIKE SLAGER PUT OUT ALL EMAIL ADDRESSESS ON HIS WEBSITE WHO ATTENDED A CBW MEETING AND THEN DENIED EVER DOING IT?
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#33 2009-08-06 11:43:50
this is a quote from the boston.com article..this statement is why i believe is NOT qualified... those jobes are there for a reason....
"Interim Town Administrator John Sanguinet says the staffing vacancies aren’t a problem; in his opinion, the town’s biggest challenge is its budget.'
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#34 2009-08-06 12:08:31
Holy crap. That article is *brutal*. The most amazing part is that it's nothing but a list of fact after fact after fact, and it's absolutely devestating. It's unfortunate that this is the publicity that the town gets, but it's good to see that the story of what everybody here has been going through for years is finally getting some publicity. What's that old saying? Sunshine is a great disinfectant?
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#35 2009-08-06 12:31:05
From the Wareham Pravda, comments :
Member Opinions:
By: waterside on 8/6/09
were is ag on this matter
By: angel-joe on 8/6/09
Then put an end to the fascism, right here right now with your reveal.. of your own special investigation. Frankly? The longer you go on without exposing them, the more good people who are fighting it, are going to just give up. That's what they want. You have been blowing smoke about "all will be revealed soon"... been saying that for almost 1-1/2 years now.. what say you on that? I think I am going to delete my shortcut to the observer soon, if "soon" doesn't come soon...
By: stormlover on 8/6/09
I called and expressed my opinion and they hung up before I was able to finish. Hope to stop in when I pick up my mail and will report back later. stormlover
By: Zorro on 8/6/09
Stormlover, I managed to get my 'vote registered' with them on the phone'. Told them that after in excess of 30 yrs patronizing the business, I'll be staying away in the future over decisions like this.
By: madmom on 8/6/09 [Delete]
zorro dont they have the right to freedom of speech..just like you for not returning there..
1. Go Madmom! Tell them like it is!
2. Poor Angel-Joe is finally figuring out that someone is blowing smoke up his bootie.
3. I don't know who Zorro is, i'm sure he will be happy when other places follow suit.
first he calls for a protest that doesn't materialize, then he wants to boycott a place because they don't want to sell his propaganda sheet. He is certainly going to busy until he apologizes for his racial baiting tactics.
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#36 2009-08-06 12:36:16
And finally, a cloud is beginning to cast a shadow on Slager's VILE reporting!
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#37 2009-08-06 13:29:02
Searay240..is that e-mail legit?
If someone called me a terrorist, I'd be scared to death. All you have to do is call Homeland Security and tell them about a terrorist and they will swoop down on you like a hungry hawk.
Oh...never mind...that era is over. I understand they actually investigate now.
However, if it is real, I think bringing a copy to the store owner is a good idea.
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#38 2009-08-06 13:39:04
steve what does the audit have do do with this situation? i get lost quickly at his jumps from this to that it just doesnt make sense to me im confused..
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#39 2009-08-06 13:42:28
Dan, don't worry. Bobo's poet only pretends to work for Homeland Security. She doesn't actually work for Homeland Security. She also likes to borrow cars from freemasons.
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#40 2009-08-06 13:42:36
I agree with you Liz, the audit has nothing to do with this. It's the FOREVER dangling carrot that will NEVER live up to it's hype. Especially if it uncovers.... "bad investments!" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I called the Onset Village Market and gave them props.
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#41 2009-08-06 14:11:38
So, are we now boycotting the boycott of the boycott?
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#42 2009-08-06 14:15:50
Tell you what, Bobo, if Paul Shooter holds a press conference and asks us not to boycott, then we won't boycott.
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#43 2009-08-06 14:48:15
The email is absolutely legit and the store owner has a copy
Steve
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#44 2009-08-06 14:58:03
I would also forward a copy to the reporter at the Boston Globe. I think they would be interested in the tactics employed by a fellow journalist!
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#45 2009-08-06 15:50:36
Here's another interesting take. I busted out laughing after reading it. This is from you know where:
By: 39locust on 8/6/09
I just called the Onset Village Market and asked why they're not selling The Observer and he hemmed and hawed and then said something about the politics in the town. I told him that he was denying the First Ammendment rights, that I wouldn't be doing business at his market and that The Boston Globe would be contacting him. I got carried away. Is there anyway to spin this to the Boston papers?
jrinonset
Spin to the Boston globe? Now that is funny! First, how is he violating the first amendment? To suggest "spinning" it, is even funnier. Now, if you couple that with the email Steve received, I think your spiiner is spun out!
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#46 2009-08-06 15:56:04
I feel really bad that the owners of the market are in the middle of this. I'm sure that was never the intention of the people who brought the problems with the rag to them. Let's be nice to these people and give them as much business as we can.
I only hope the owners were informed about the race baiting in addition to the many lies printed in the rag that have been revealed on this site. At least they can be assured that they are doing the right thing.
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#47 2009-08-06 16:03:45
The Onset Village Mkt isn't violating 39locust's 1st Amendment rights, those that threatened the Onset Village Mkt with a boycott are....shouldn't you be able to debate your opinions intelligently and convincingly enough, without having to resort to silencing the opposition with threats? Thug mentality, insults, threats and the use of profanity only weaken your position.How about identifying yourselves, so that those of us that disagree with you can boycott you?
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#48 2009-08-06 16:19:47
4dognite, welcome to the board. I just need to correct a couple of things in your post, as it seems to be indicative of being written by someone who believes everything that Mr. Slager says.
The first amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
All the first amendment states is that the government can't pass laws suppressing speech/press/religion/etc. A group of concerned citizens who tell the owners of a local business how they feel about products sold in the business has nothing to do with the first amendment, and continuing to claim that it does is disingenuous. The Observer will continue to be available online, and even if you don't have a computer, you can always go to the library to use the access there!
Can you please share with us the insults, threats, and use of profanity used to convince the Market not to carry the Observer?
Again, welcome - I look forward to chatting!
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#49 2009-08-06 16:45:01
Molly and All
The owners of the Onset Village Market have been effected by this Town Govt since they bought the place, they have experienced some issues that no one should have to go through. They also follow the happenings about town and have been following the Slager issues, especially recent events.
They are fully aware of the posting by the Observer last night and did not expect Mr Slager to post their phone number or make several references to "this country". If you don't know who the owners are, they are not from this country originally. He was also not happy when he read the letter I received from the Observer suggesting / commenting that I am somehow a "terrorist".
They dealt with a few calls today, some good, some bad and do not regret their decision. They were not threatened by anyone prior to their decision. These are grown up people and can come to their own conclusions.
I enjoy shopping there, it's conveinient and close to home, I encourage all of you to stop in and say hello, buy some milk or bread, and get to know them, they are very nice and welcoming people.
Thanks
Steve
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#50 2009-08-06 16:50:34
Bobo is the king of burning bridges. He doesn't just burn the bridges, he pees (pshooters) on the ashes.
This business helped him for years - put out his paper for free for years, sold it for a year, made the guy some money. But that means nothing. The first sign of a disagreement and wam, he slams up a hateful message trying to destroy their business.
That's always been the motto of the BOS/BOBO crew - when you are no longer useful to us, we will destroy you.
No, I'd say any business that helped that man for years, only to have him pull crap like that at the first disagreement, I'd be greatly surprised if they ever help him again.
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#51 2009-08-06 17:05:10
So... I'm a little disturbed about Bobo's conclusion "tell them what free speech means in this country." it's more dangerous talk from a slimy piece of trash that is clearly losing his grip on reality.
Bobo, how can you rationalize this as a stifling of free speech? So, that store has to sell EVERYTHING or it's a stifling of free speech? Oh I get it, your the only one that gets the right to choose!
And you solution to their freedom of expession? Boycott THEM?! Mr 1st amendment trying to rub out 1st amendment rights.
I'm waiting for the threat of a lawsuit by the coward
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#52 2009-08-06 17:10:05
Steve,
Good to know that the owners are doing ok. Thanks for the info.
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#53 2009-08-06 17:21:17
searay240 wrote:
The email is absolutely legit and the store owner has a copy
Steve
What did the owner say to you when you visited him?
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#54 2009-08-06 17:25:49
danoconnell wrote:
searay240 wrote:
The email is absolutely legit and the store owner has a copy
SteveWhat did the owner say to you when you visited him?
Sorry...I didn't see the above post by Steve.
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#55 2009-08-06 17:27:06
Just noticing, and I think others pointed above - Bobo's message that includes "Tell them why free speech matters in this country."
That seems like a pretty disturbing thing to say...almost sounds like he's bringing their background into it, like he's suggesting they come from another country so they don't understand free speech. What a shameful thing to say.
But who cares what he has to say anymore. He's exposed himself as a laughingstock and an embarrassment.
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#56 2009-08-06 17:30:51
I also stopped by the Village Store to shop, thank them for their decision to not carry the rag, and to warn them about Bobo giving out their phone number. They are not going to change their minds and they seemed more than a little pissed off that Bobo had posted their phone number.
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#57 2009-08-06 17:33:20
please stop by the Village Store and thank them, shop, maybe buy whatever booze you planned to drink this weekend.
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#58 2009-08-06 18:10:16
first, I want to thasnk the people at the Market for standing tall and taking a stand. We all need to support people with that kind of courage to make a difficult business decision, and to take the heat of Pravda by the Bay.
secondly, let's look at the issue of "free speech"
In the case of Schenck v. USA from 1919, Justice oliver Wendall Holmes made statements that have come down to us from a century ago.
"the question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
Did BoBo & John-boy do things that fit the above description? Sure did. If they could have whipped up an angry mob, was there a "clear and present danger" that the "substantive evil" contemplated by Holmes could have occurred? You betcha! (thanks Sarah P.)
Thus, the US Supreme Court ruled that Schenck's call for insubordination to the government was NOT protected by the First Amendment.
"the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing panic"
And, isn't that precisely what BoBo & John-boy did? or at least, attempted to do? You betcha! (and I've never been to Alaska).
So now, the bullshit artist of buzzards Bay attempts to indict an owner of a small store for violating HIS (that would be monsieur le BoBo) first amendment rights. NO, No, and NO. The store owner has rights as well, BoBo. If he doesn't agree with the chicken growers/processors in states like Arkansas, then he has the choice to sell only free-range chickens from wherever. If his business succeeds, then fine, If it fails, well that is fine , too. While Adam Smith may have addressed the Invisible Hand in his Wealth of Nation nearly two centuries ago, the simple fact is that the Hand was the sum of economic decisions made in the market place. And, not all decisions are rational - just ask Bill Russell about hotels & restaurants that refused to serve him and his Celtics teammates. This small business owner is making a rational decision based on the facts of the marketplace, that his market area was used as a foil in a battle that was not his, and he is showing respect to his customers and their neighborhood.
The predictable grumbling from Pravda by the Bay is using Free Speech as just another red herring. heaven forfend that he should focus on issues of substance from an objective stand point.
Support that store!
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#59 2009-08-06 18:33:23
acasualobserver: Glad to reply, threatening a boycott is not a threat? OK. And I feel I need to correct you, correcting me: I have a mind of my own and thought I'd check this site out. After reading several posts,It seems that anyone who doesn't go along and agree with the posters on this site are called "stupid, drunk, (insert profanity here)" insert insult here , etc. I find it interesting that the new owners at Onset Village Mkt have all of your support now that they decided to go along with you. I didn't really see any encouragement to frequent their business in Jan or Feb. when they arrived. How about the businesses that "don't play ball" ? will you be as supportive of them? We all have a right to our opinions: I do, you do. We can debate them, speak and be heard and yes, agree to disagree. Trying to humiliate or destroy the opposition just makes you look bad.
Why go to the extent of barring a publication? If people don't read it (but can choose to do so) then it will just go away on its own, why go to the great lengths to involve businesses (with the threat of a boycott )who are trying to make a living in tough economic times and making you all look like "book burners".
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#60 2009-08-06 18:52:44
4dog,
If I went to your business, wherever that may be, and said the following, would you consider me to be threatening you?
I strongly disagree with this publication that you carry, which I consider to be propaganda that is, and damaging to the community, and these are the reasons why. As long as you carry that publication, I will not be shopping here, because I can't support anybody who I feel is damaging the community.
The use of the term "threat" without the context of "threat of a boycott" has the connotation of the threat of violence or something along those lines. This is more dangerous propoganda which is damaging to the community.
Note that I never said that you didn't make up your own mind to come here - I just said that the way you wrote your comment, it was very much along the lines of things that Mr. Slager says (and endlessly repeats) even though he know it's wrong. Specifically, I was referring to your reference to the First Amendment (which I hope you now agree doesn't apply to this situation). Mr. Slager still has a notice about it on his website, along with the business's phone number, and a message encouraging people to call the business to continue to spread the falsehoods that he has on the website, re: Fascism, First Amendment, etc.
Now, it's not that people on this site didn't frequent the Market before they made the decision not to carry the Observer. However, given that Slager has chosen to react by calling for a boycott by his supporters, as well as what borders on harassment by disseminating the phone number, the good people in this community have banded together to ensure that the business remains successful.
If by "don't play ball", you mean "continue to stock the Observer", I'm sure many people here won't shop there. However, you can bet that we won't be posting phone numbers and encouraging other people to harass the business proprietors.
And for your final, most important question of "why go to the extent of barring a publication?", nobody here is barring anything. If a business chooses to continue to stock the Observer, that's fine, and they'll probably lose a slice of business. However, many people feel so strongly about the content in the Observer that they feel it really is damaging to the town. These people who want to stop the damage are doing what they can to turn it around. Look at it this way - this is going to be a hyperbolic analogy, but it's necessary to make the broader point. I'm not sure how you feel about guns, but say there was a corner store that also happened to stock automatic weapons, and another one across the street that sold no guns. If you believe that automatic weapons are bad for the community is it a "threat" for you to go to that store and tell them that you will be buying your groceries across the street because you don't support the sale of guns? That's what the people on this site are doing. We're not banning anything, not forcing anybody's hand. We're not "elite" nor are we in power. And while the potential loss of business might have put some pressure on the proprietor, there was no "harassment" or "intimidation" as Slager claimed. And from what I've read, the owners of the Market were upset at the methods and tactics being used in the Observer, and weren't particularly upset about dropping it.
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#61 2009-08-06 19:07:45
Can anyone really blame a business for not wanting to support a paper with hypothetical correspondents like Paul Shooter?
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#62 2009-08-06 19:12:37
I don't understand how people here who....
"used up their fifteen minutes of fame" -- BoBo
"are a small political minority" -- Sweet Brucey
"no one pays attention to what they say" -- Bobo
... could have any influence at all on the OVM's decision. Maybe they can ACTUALLY THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
4DOG...
No one here posted anything about threatening or harrassing any business, nor was there any mention of the OVM prior to Bobo's article last night.
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#63 2009-08-06 19:21:18
4dognite wrote:
Trying to humiliate or destroy the opposition just makes you look bad.
Isn't that what the Wareham Observer does? Have you read some of his editorial?
If people don't read it (but can choose to do so) then it will just go away on its own, why go to the great lengths to involve businesses (with the threat of a boycott )who are trying to make a living in tough economic times and making you all look like "book burners".
If people want to read it, they will find it at another store. To be honest, I look forward to the day that paper and person are gone. They have done more to damage this town then any one person. No one MADE them stop carrying the paper. They chose that on their own. We all have a right to speak out, you said so yourself. Does that right change when you change sides of the debate?
If you want book burners, you want censorship,and if you read the emails from Mr. Sauvageau to a few citizens, you will find censorship.
I don't care if you want to come here and exchange opinions, but please have the courtesy to review your opinion and make sure you apply it across the board.
Have a great evening.
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#64 2009-08-06 19:26:39
welcome 4ddog
My first question to you is do you believe people have a right to boycott? Definition of boycott " to abstain from buying or using as an expression of protest or disfavor.
I shop at the Village Market almost everyday. I do not like Bobo's paper because of all the lies and slanted views. He refers to everyone on this site as the power elite and that all of us belong to the CBW and numerous other groups. I am neither political, or elite and I do not belong to any of the groups Bobo refers to. I'm just someone who used to read his paper and couldn't take any more of his lies. Since I shop at the Village Market I felt I should tell the owner how I felt about the rag.
Bobo seems to think that anyone who doesn't support the selectman are subversive. I don't like the selectman and what they are doing to this town. I have a right not to support any buisness who sells the rag.
I am not trying to bar Bobo's publication, he can print as many copies as he likes.
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#65 2009-08-06 19:47:03
4dognite wrote:
acasualobserver: Glad to reply, threatening a boycott is not a threat? OK. And I feel I need to correct you, correcting me: I have a mind of my own and thought I'd check this site out. After reading several posts,It seems that anyone who doesn't go along and agree with the posters on this site are called "stupid, drunk, (insert profanity here)" insert insult here , etc. I find it interesting that the new owners at Onset Village Mkt have all of your support now that they decided to go along with you. I didn't really see any encouragement to frequent their business in Jan or Feb. when they arrived. How about the businesses that "don't play ball" ? will you be as supportive of them? We all have a right to our opinions: I do, you do. We can debate them, speak and be heard and yes, agree to disagree. Trying to humiliate or destroy the opposition just makes you look bad.
Why go to the extent of barring a publication? If people don't read it (but can choose to do so) then it will just go away on its own, why go to the great lengths to involve businesses (with the threat of a boycott )who are trying to make a living in tough economic times and making you all look like "book burners".
4dognite:
First I want to welcome you to the site, you are correct, people can get a bit heated here, but I think most of us try to be respectful (even if we do not always succeed - we are only human). But, I would like to point out that on the "other site" you have also made disparaging statements without idenitifying yourself. Specifically:
By: 4dognite on 7/31/09
Well said Mike9f, I attended the meeting as well. I was hoping for information and unfortunately heard the same rhetoric from self absorbed people. The meeting was disjointed and lacked substance. The BOS and Mr Slager maintained their composure and the shouting mob lost any shred of credibility they may have had.What kind of adults behave that way in a public forum? It was kind of sad when Mr Brady called the police and they refused to comply with his (unreasonable "in my opinion" request) I agree that there probably was about 150 people in attendance and probably less than 1/2 were Bob Brady supporters. I would like to applaud the brave souls who tried to encourage mutual respect and an element of cooperation for the good of our town.
Mr Brady seemed ill prepared, ill at ease and I found it particularly hypocritical for someone to read a statement he doesn't support or believe in(recall).Cara Winslow is not a nice person, I've seen her in action before, I didn't vote for her and I'm glad she lost the election. Actually, I voted for everyone of the current BOS and I couldn't be happier. They have the courage and conviction to investigate the corrupt old boy network in this town. And "the old boys" are screaming the loudest.Interestingly, Mr Brady insisted on "no media" and Mr Urbon and photographer were there. I am thrilled Mr Brady has publically stated that "he is not interested in running for selectman", I, for one, would never vote for him: he did enough by voting in the "sewer enterprise fund" as a bonus tax for sewer users when he was in office.Thanks Mr Brady: you've done enough.
I do not know either Ms. Winslow or Mr. Brady personally, I want to be sure you understand that. Mr. Brady organized a meeting which he has every right to do and Ms. Winslow showed up for a brief period of time. After finding out that there was an audio of the meeting I asked a friend of a friend who listened to it and was stunned to find out that Ms. Winslow actually said that the motion to keep the BOS from speaking was unfair and if that was the desire the meeting should be moved. That sounds to me like she was defending the BOS and their rights. Mr. Brady had the ability to have them dragged out and he didn't. While you may not agree with either of them, comments like that reach a factual conclusion, why can't you just agree to disagree with them?
But, my real question is this, can you give me three examples of how Wareham is better off after six (6) years plus of this Board? I promise not to use any profanity when I respond, although I reserve the right to disagree.
Personally, I have a far greater appreciation for intelligent debate than anything else, although I have been know to throw a few *F bombs :-)
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