#1 2009-07-19 02:19:53
You're looking at the lead graphic of Sunday's Standard-Times, the region's new go-to photo-op for municipal dysfunction.
Thank Bruce Sauvageau for that.
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#2 2009-07-19 02:29:19
Brian Boyd, S-T wrote:
Wareham officials are discussing longer-term solutions to the budget woes. They are looking at possibly delivering some of the town's services either through greater collaboration with other towns or privatization.
The town might privatize services such as sewer, emergency medical service, janitorial work and information technology, he said.
Sauvageau said most municipalities can no longer afford to operate as completely independent entities. "We just can't do it. The fiscal burden, the constraints and structural deficits don't allow flexibility anymore. You can only cut services to a point."
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#3 2009-07-19 06:29:12
WE HAD MONEY FOR FIREWORKS AND A COMPUTER AUDIT THAT IS STILL GOING ON.
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#4 2009-07-19 07:28:00
THE AMBULANCE SERVICE, SEWER SERVICES ARE ALREADY PRIVITIZED AND PAYED FOR BY THE USERS WHO USE IT, AND ARE NOT PAYED FOR BY TAXPAYERS , JANITORIAL SEVICES WERE PRIVITIZED BY HARTMAN SOMEWHAT , DID NOT WAORK PRICES WENT UP AND SERVICES WENT DOWN, AND THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS GOOD AND DOWN BY ONE BY ONE PERSON ,THIS IS BEING DOWN BECAUSE HE WAS AROND WHEN HARTMAN WAS AROUND , WHY NOT PRIVITIZE THE CLERKS OFFICE.
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#5 2009-07-19 07:44:28
I SAY PRIVITIZE THE CLERKS OFFICE , I THINK EVERTHING THAT THEY DO COULD BE DOWN BY TRAINED VOULENTEERS UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE COUCIL ON AGEING , COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY HERE. PRIVITIZE THE SEWER SYSTEM ,? IS THERE A DIRTY RAT HERE ? WE NEED TO RECALL THESE SELECTMEN NOW BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A TOWN LEFT.
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#6 2009-07-19 07:56:26
I READ BOYDS ARTICAL WAREHAM IS GOING TO GET CLOSE TO 1 MIL. CUT , THE STATE IS IN A SHAMBLES , I AM GLAD I DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS GOVERNER HE I RELALLY SCREWING UP THE STATE VERY BADLEY , HE NEEDS TO GO, I HERE HE IS VISTING WAREHAM SOON , I WONT BE THERE .
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#7 2009-07-19 08:12:33
Word has it that the BOS are reacting to the budget cuts by asking people they hate to take out revenge upon themselves. "If you have ever looked at Sweet Brucey crosseyed, please don't drain the town budget by waiting for the BOS to sue you with taxpayer dollars, instead please just bang your head against a wall or stick your head in a toilet and flush it or do something so that the BOS feels satisfactorily avenged without having to dip into the town treasury."
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#8 2009-07-19 10:07:59
Ragman, thank you for letting the Standard Times borrow your belt for this graphic.
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#9 2009-07-19 10:13:41
Anyone else notice in all the other towns this story looked at, those towns' town administrator (or whatever they call their town's executive) talked to the reporter, but in Wareham, they apparently could only get a quote from Sweet Brucey?
Speaks volumes...
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#10 2009-07-19 19:21:53
What is interesting about this is that privitization actually ends up costing more money. That is a verifiable fact. Many communities have attempted to do this only to discover that once they have released their employees and sold their equipment the contractors prices go sky high, not to mention the level of service is never good to start. In fact, I believe it was Norwood that went private with school janitor services and within the first few weeks several of the private vendor employees were caught stealing computers. In Cohasset which went semi private years ago private employees have been caught stealing and the schools are so disgusting they are now trying to bring back in house janitors. It is way more complicated than most people think. The community I work in has private bussing and I will say simply that it is a nightmare. They are paying unbelievable prices, and we have problems getting people who speak English to drive for the wages. These companies are in business to make a profit, they aren't charities.
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#11 2009-07-20 10:38:49
Here's an interesting thought: Why not incur LESS legal fees and eliminate witch hunts/Audits that do not add value or demonstrate fiscal responsibility. We all understand that if you have lack of funds, you have to reduce work force or lower the amount of services offerred. What offends the reasonable minds in Wareham is the complete disregard for the obvious. Computer audit? Sure! let's copy everyone's hard drive and see if they are "hate bloggers". That makes good fiscal sense! Continue lawsuits we are going to lose in the end? Sure! Because we feel powerful and righteous in our Super Selectmen costumes! Close down a road because someone on that road wants us to? Sure! And while we are at it, let's refuse funds to repair the road and increase our costs!
Geez, I was having such a good morning before I remembered I live in Wareham!
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#12 2009-07-20 11:59:36
AND THE WOMEN WHO WANTS THE ROAD CLOSED MS BINDAS, V WHO GIVES MONEY TO SUPPORT BROCTON BRENDAS CAMPAIGN , QUID PRO QUO OR BUYING A SELECTMENS VOTE
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#13 2009-07-24 01:08:04
ihateliz wrote:
I SAY PRIVITIZE THE CLERKS OFFICE , I THINK EVERTHING THAT THEY DO COULD BE DOWN BY TRAINED VOULENTEERS UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE COUCIL ON AGEING , COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY HERE. PRIVITIZE THE SEWER SYSTEM ,? IS THERE A DIRTY RAT HERE ? WE NEED TO RECALL THESE SELECTMEN NOW BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A TOWN LEFT.
Please tell me you are joking about privatizing the Town Clerk's office. That office is the only place that you can get answers to questions. If they don't know they tell you who to speak to. Years ago the town decided to change our trash pickup. Two companies went down and they had done a great job. They decided to take over school transportation and gave all the facts and figures to PROVE the town could run it cheaper. A member of the prudential committee was in favor of this 100%. Why? Because he was half owner of the company that the town bought the new buses from. Several bus companies were put out of business. Look into those "facts and figures" for
the first three years.
The town spent more than they would have had to pay an independent contractor. You are so right when you mentioned a dirty rat. Power has gone to the heads of the selectmen going back 8 to 10 years ago. Each year this power has multiplied so rapidly that we, the people, the citizens of Wareham, feel like we have been spinning in a tornado. And finally catching our balance we are looking around and saying HOW, WHY and WHEN did this happen to us. That brings us to today. I want my Wareham back. I want to see respectable, moral, intelligent people as our leaders that do not have an agenda of their own. We have outgrown our charter. We need to go back to it (temporarily) and make the outdated parts to fit our current needs, ONE LINE AT A TIME. I don't know Mr. Cruz, but the rest of the selectmen are an embarrassment and I am totally disgusted listening to the LOUD, OUTSPOKEN, BRASH, RUDE, LYING, UNPREPARED, UNKNOWLEDGABLE, INTIMIDATING and BULLYING BAG OF CRAP who presides over our meetings like Musselini. I want MY Wareham back!!!
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#14 2009-07-24 01:37:43
bornofwareham wrote:
I am totally disgusted listening to the LOUD, OUTSPOKEN, BRASH, RUDE, LYING, UNPREPARED, UNKNOWLEDGABLE, INTIMIDATING and BULLYING BAG OF CRAP who presides over our meetings like Musselini. I want MY Wareham back!!!
Then spread word of this misery to your friends and neighbors because obviously they missed the memo.
"If you can't prove it, and it's therefore it's untrue, then it's defamation. And that's why I'm making this statement so plainly and so clearly, publicly. I can not tolerate and I can not withstand public accusations of of criminal activity in my opinion. And if I was ever engaged in that type of activity, then all the forces of law should bear against me. And I would assume that would have happened if in fact there was any evidence whatsoever, any credible evidence to suggest that I was engaged in illegal and unethical behavior."
Bruce Sauvageau, Tuesday, September 11, 2007. Wareham Board of Selectmen, Bruce Sauvageau presiding. Video capture of CATV broadcast.
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#15 2009-07-24 03:36:57
I WAS KIDING ABOUT THE CLERKS OFFICE IN PRIVATIZING IT BUT WHAT THE SELECTMAN ARE DOING IN SUGESTING PRIVITIZING OTHER DEPTS IS A VAILED ATEMPT TO GET RID OF PERCIVED ENEMIES. FOR EX MATT UNDERHILL IN THE COMPUTOR DEPT IT WAS SUGGESTED TO PRIVITIZE HIS DEPT , YHIS TOWN IS LUCKY TO HAVE HIM, BUT HE IS PECIVED AS A FREIND OF THE POWER ELITE , THIS TOWN CLERK MARY ANN SILVA WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE SELECTMAN , I DONT TRUST HER , I DONT TRUST HER DOING THE ELECTIONS AND KEEPING RECORDS ,THAT CAN GO MISSING IF THEY ARE UN FAVORABLE TO THIS BOARD AND I WOULD RECALL HER IN A RECALL.
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#16 2009-07-24 07:50:22
First time I saw these clips.
Amazing. Appalling.
The only valid issue with the letters was that it is illegal to put anything in a mailbox. Next time just address and stamp them, and also post them here.
Otherwise I thought the letters, clearly not defamation nor deserving of the words used to describe them, were well written political satire making some good points.
Please, clean up the town before we move there.
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#17 2009-07-24 08:27:02
During Tues. meeting, sweet Brucey mentioned that there would be a public meeting to discuss the 600,000 plus dollars that butt monkey is going to have to cut from the budget. Sweet Brucey made it sound like it was going to be a seperate meeting, not a selectman's meeting. If it is a seperate meeting, does anyone know where and when that meeting will be held. That's a meeting I want to go to. I think Sweet Brucey said they would be answering questions from the public.
Did anyone else hear this, or did I fall asleep during butt monkey's report and just dream about being able to get answers to financial questions? For instance if we hadn't spent all that money on legal fees this year, which has to be more than 500,000 by now, we wouldn't be so much financial trouble.
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#18 2009-07-24 09:36:42
Marny, I can tell you this from past experience---the bos may claim they want input from the public, but they will do what they want regardless. It will be an exercise in futility to try to talk common sense to them. Remember-the town voted NOT to take the extra money from the sewer admin fee because we could not afford it, and they still did and fired McAulliffe because he thought we should do it in increments and not all at once. The town voted three times against the nitrogen articles and yet it is coming back again. We voted at least twice against the Westfield project and they are spending big bucks on it anyway. The crime watch debacle is shameful, yet even though people have spoken out they are championing the program and its leader. Sign a petition for anything and watch it get tossed in the trash. These are just a few off the top of my head.
So, go ahead and attend, but they could care less what the public thinks. And whatever you do---don't introduce yourselves by any of your blogger names or you'll be crucified--only kidding of course, but you get the picture.
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#19 2009-07-24 18:44:07
Thanks for the info Molly and I hear your frusration. I'm really not expecting to get answers I just want to attend. I think if there is a meeting, a lot of the town employees will be there, since any cuts will have an affect on their lives. Maybe they will be vocal in their frustration or maybe they will be silent because they are afraid of loosing their jobs. Maybe other taxpayers will show up and express their anger and frustration.
I know it feels like we are running into a brick wall, but if you keep hitting that brick wall, it will eventually crack and crumble. More and more newspapers are commenting on wareham so people are reading the truth about what is going on. I think I finally convinced all my friends that Bobo's paper is crap, but that's only because of other real newspapers covering Wareham. I totally agree with you, no one should buy the paper. I think if we stop visiting his web site his numbers will go down another 10%
I don't plan on introducing myself with my blogger name, but I am thinking of learning how to throw my voice, so I can call them all by their blog names. Are they having a meeting about the cuts and where do I go to get that info?
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#20 2009-07-24 19:45:31
The public can attend finance committee meetings. I have been to a few in the past. The next meeting according to the calendar is August 5, at 6:30 pm. You can find this from the town site. Click on to meetings calendar on the right. It shows when all town boards are meeting.
I don't know if this is the meeting they were talking about or not. A quick call to the clerk's office could clarify that. That room is not big enough for a large crowd, so it might be moved to another place. I'd follow up on it since we can't trust the postings of regular meetings. I don't think fin com does executive sessions, but you never know if sweet brucie is running the show.
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#21 2009-07-25 00:20:59
billw wrote:
bornofwareham wrote:
I am totally disgusted listening to the LOUD, OUTSPOKEN, BRASH, RUDE, LYING, UNPREPARED, UNKNOWLEDGABLE, INTIMIDATING and BULLYING BAG OF CRAP who presides over our meetings like Musselini. I want MY Wareham back!!!
Then spread word of this misery to your friends and neighbors because obviously they missed the memo. Memo? I have told and continue to tell everyone that I see about what is going on in the town hall. People do the same to me. "What in the world is going on in town hall, did you hear the latest?" That's all anyone talks about along with Coleman and his antics. I really want to attend the meeting on the 30th, but some of the names of people backing this are not without their own agendas. We will see.
"If you can't prove it, and it's therefore it's untrue, then it's defamation. And that's why I'm making this statement so plainly and so clearly, publicly. I can not tolerate and I can not withstand public accusations of of criminal activity in my opinion. And if I was ever engaged in that type of activity, then all the forces of law should bear against me. And I would assume that would have happened if in fact there was any evidence whatsoever, any credible evidence to suggest that I was engaged in illegal and unethical behavior."
Bruce Sauvageau, Tuesday, September 11, 2007. Wareham Board of Selectmen, Bruce Sauvageau presiding. Video capture of CATV broadcast.
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#22 2009-07-25 00:46:52
ihateliz wrote:
I WAS KIDING ABOUT THE CLERKS OFFICE IN PRIVATIZING IT BUT WHAT THE SELECTMAN ARE DOING IN SUGESTING PRIVITIZING OTHER DEPTS IS A VAILED ATEMPT TO GET RID OF PERCIVED ENEMIES. FOR EX MATT UNDERHILL IN THE COMPUTOR DEPT IT WAS SUGGESTED TO PRIVITIZE HIS DEPT , YHIS TOWN IS LUCKY TO HAVE HIM, BUT HE IS PECIVED AS A FREIND OF THE POWER ELITE , THIS TOWN CLERK MARY ANN SILVA WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE SELECTMAN , I DONT TRUST HER , I DONT TRUST HER DOING THE ELECTIONS AND KEEPING RECORDS ,THAT CAN GO MISSING IF THEY ARE UN FAVORABLE TO THIS BOARD AND I WOULD RECALL HER IN A RECALL.
No comment about Mr. Underhill. I don't know him and really haven't heard anything bad about him. But........probably one of the most honest, trustworthy and dedicated people in the Town Hall and possibly in Wareham is Mary Ann Silva. She works hand in hand with all departments in Town Hall and it's outbuildings. Her integrity will not be compromised and you can take that to the bank. Perhaps you should make an appointment to speak to her about your concerns, face to face. I am sure she will answer all your questions and concerns. Perhaps she can shed some light on the going on's of the selectmen. She knows the rules and I'm sure she knows the rules they are breaking.
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#23 2009-07-25 00:52:48
marny wrote:
During Tues. meeting, sweet Brucey mentioned that there would be a public meeting to discuss the 600,000 plus dollars that butt monkey is going to have to cut from the budget. Sweet Brucey made it sound like it was going to be a seperate meeting, not a selectman's meeting. If it is a seperate meeting, does anyone know where and when that meeting will be held. That's a meeting I want to go to. I think Sweet Brucey said they would be answering questions from the public.
Did anyone else hear this, or did I fall asleep during butt monkey's report and just dream about being able to get answers to financial questions? For instance if we hadn't spent all that money on legal fees this year, which has to be more than 500,000 by now, we wouldn't be so much financial trouble.
I agree. Good one!
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