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#1 2009-07-20 17:06:40
The Wareham Police Union has updated their on-line blog with information regarding its concerns for the funding of municipalities for the Fourth of July fireworks, as well as it's concerns about the Crime Watch program.
The information that the Union has supplied are copies of the letters sent to both the Town Administrator's Office, as well as the Chairman of the Board of Selectmen.
Both can be read at this link: http://warehampoliceunion.com/10001.html
After the reading the letters yourself please note, despite published reports, the Police Department was never reimbursed by the Community Events Fund for their expenses for FY09.
Also, the Police Union never mentioned receiving "complaints against Crime Watch from people attending the free lunch program." We simply stated we knew of general complaints against the head of the program.
Thank you,
George Dionne
Wareham Police Union, President
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#2 2009-07-20 18:33:33
THANK YOU GEORGE DION FOR YOUR LETTER AND I AGREE WITH IT 100% , BUT THESE SELECTMAN ARE CLOWNS AND ARE STUPID, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, I AND OTHERS I NO ARE LINING UP TO THROW THESE CLOWNS OUT ON THERE ASSES . I THINK THEY DONT LIKE THE POLICE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM BELONG IN JAIL.
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#3 2009-07-20 18:52:44
Maybe Urbon will contact the people mentioned in the letters and do its own story. We can hope.
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#4 2009-07-20 19:35:18
OK. Math is not my strongest ability. How does the police union come up with the number of an additional $12,000 for one eight hour shift on July 4th. Are we paying an army of additional cops and EMTS? Do the police get triple overtime plus? I strongly support our police and I think the town EMTs are outstanding, but every time there is a fair or festival, we get these absurd numbers.
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#5 2009-07-20 19:36:41
Just an FYI - if the volunteers are performing duties normally performed by the police, the town has an obligation to bargain the impacts of that under MGL Ch. 150e. If the town fails to properly bargain and the union chooses they can file a charge of prohibited practice against the town. If they prevail they are entitled to damages, plus interest. Damages can be determined by how many hours of lost work, etc. I have personally seen awards that would stagger the mind. Obviously the police can use some help, so I doubt they are opposed to the concept, but it is well within the unions right to ask these questions and they deserve an answer.
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#6 2009-07-20 19:56:25
gogatemen, in case you have not noticed just about the entire police force is on duty during the fireworks for security and traffic control. I'm sure most police officers would rather be celebrating the holiday with their friends and family but they have to work. Unless they are working their regular shift they are entitled to and DESERVE time and a half pay for working an overtime shift. Same thing for the emergency medical staff and town maintenence workers.
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#7 2009-07-20 20:27:54
I am not arguing against the police receiving overtime pay. They deserve overtime for working an extra shift on a holiday. I don't know the salary for each individual Wareham police officer or EMT in order to determine overtime. However, the rate for state police doing overtime traffic detail is $40.00/hr ($116,000) per year. Using that as an example, each policeman in Wareham would receive slightly above $300.00 for an 8 hr shift of overtime. That means there were about 40 EXTRA police personnel assigned. Do we even have that many EXTRA policemen? My concern is that local businesses that rely on tourists are already hurting due to the recession and bad weather. As a town, we need to find ways to keep businesses open, thriving and hiring locals. We do not need to create an anti-business atmosphere.
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#8 2009-07-20 20:42:06
gogatemen, the State police get paid $40 for working a detail but they're overtime rate is probably even higher thaN that. Keep in mind That a Sergent with 25 years on the force makes alot more than a patrolman with 2 years on the job. Some will make alot less than other while some make alot more than others. It is not based on a flat rate like a detail is.
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#9 2009-07-20 21:13:15
The line that we're discussing from the union's letter is:
How can the Town justify holding a fireworks display that will cost the town upwards for $12,000 plus when you factor in Police, EMS, and Municipal Maintenance.
They're not claiming that the police cost $12k. The claim is that the whole event costs $12k. I'm not privy to the actual numbers, but I'd be surprised if it's that low. The cost of the fireworks themselves, public safety, cleanup, etc has to be significant.
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#10 2009-07-20 23:12:25
gogatemen, there are about forty something full time police officers and about a dozen special seasonal police officers and most of them are working on fireworks night.
acasualobserver, The fireworks are paid for by donations. All other costs are paid for by the town and fire districts for police, ambulance staff, maintence workers and firefighters.
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#11 2009-07-20 23:24:00
TBL
Thanks for the statistics. It still seems that there must be a way to control the costs and yet allow fairs, festivals and fireworks.
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#12 2009-07-21 09:14:17
Mr. McDonald appeared before the Selectmen to ask about Crime Watch and was told that it was a private organization. If so, how can the Board of Selectmen control what they do? It appears that the BOS will be meeting with Crime Watch in executive session to discuss the future of the organization. If i'ts a private 501C, how can the BOS dictate anything? Aren't private groups, private? If the Board is meeting in executive session with the Crime Watch group, it would have to be for one of the several reasons legally required. Which means, I would surmise, that the only reason to meet in executive session would be to discuss potential legal issues (or the BOS would not be justified in meeting in executive session). Someone needs to follow up with the minutes of this meeting, if it occurs. If potential legal issues were discussed, then we the taxpayers are once again on the tab and it confirms that the Town is responsible for Crime Watch and the Selectmen were not truthful. If the BOS were truthful in saying the the Town could not be held accountable, then why are they meeting in executive session? If the town isn't liable for a lawsuit, the BOS would have to hold an open session with Crime Watch. There would be no legal issues to discuss? What we have here is a lie either way. Either the town isn't liable for lawsuits caused by Crime Watch, which means they can't meet in executive session to discuss possible litigation, or the town IS responsible and the Board lied to Mr. McDonald.
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#13 2009-07-21 09:29:18
First, if there is another Mr. McDonald, I apologize. I haven't appeared before the Selectmen to talk about the Crime Watch. I do agree with the rest of your letter. I am not sure how it can be a private organization and write tickets. The town benefits from the tickets (in theory), so Crime watch would have to be directed in some way by the town. You would think it was the Police Department, as the act of writing tickets falls in that area, but it appears the BOS is running the show. It's amazing to me that a policy and procedural group is so involved in day to day activities. At some point, the involvement of the BOS in the daily activities of Wareham needs to be addressed. It's almost like having 5 TA's plus an errand boy.
As far as the legal issues from this confrontation, it's another feather in the dufus cap we call BOS. They keep making a mess and stepping in it. The voters and residents should take notice and attend the meeting to TAKE BACK WAREHAM.
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#14 2009-07-21 09:32:29
Someone who is there should question the legality of an executive session regarding crime watch. That way the selectmen will be on tape with whatever excuse they make. We may finally know the truth about the crime watch arrangement.
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#15 2009-07-21 10:42:01
Regardless of what your town charter or other rules say, the BOS must abide by the Massachusetts Open Meeting Law Chapter 39, Section 23B which deals with executive sessions.
Here's an excerpt:
Executive sessions may be held only for the following purposes:
(1) To discuss the reputation, character, physical condition or mental health rather than the professional competence of an individual, provided that the individual involved in such executive session has been notified in writing by the governmental body, at least forty-eight hours prior to the proposed executive session. Notification may be waived upon agreement of the parties. A governmental body shall hold an open meeting if the individual involved requests that the meeting be open. If an executive session is held, such individual shall have the following rights:
(2) To consider the discipline or dismissal of, or to hear complaints or charges brought against, a public officer, employee, staff member, or individual, provided that the individual involved in such executive session pursuant to this clause has been notified in writing by the governmental body at least forty-eight hours prior to the proposed executive session. Notification may be waived upon agreement of the parties. A governmental body shall hold an open meeting if the individual involved requests that the meeting be open. If an executive session is held, such individual shall have the following rights:for both (1) and (2)
(a) to be present at such executive session during discussions or considerations which involve that individual.
(b) to have counsel or a representative of his own choosing present and attending for the purpose of advising said individual and not for the purpose of active participation in said executive session.
(c) to speak in his own behalf.
What isn't addressed in the statue, and isn't clear to me, is the meaning of the word "individual". Does the board have the right to hold an executive session to addresses any of these concerns about anybody regardless of whether they work for the town?
We still don't know exactly what Coleman and the other Crime Watch volunteers legal status is vis à vis to town.
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#16 2009-07-21 15:18:50
My apology, Mr. McDonald. The username says it all...age and memory must have played a role...I know it was someone who has posted and thought it was you. Whomever it was, should go back and ask more questions.
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#17 2009-07-21 15:29:27
No apology necessary, I agree with your post, just wanted to make sure you gave credit where it was due!
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#18 2009-07-21 19:53:36
I must say that I am becoming ashamed to say where I live. It seems like people from beyond our surrounding towns know all about our ITA, our BOS, and our Crime Watch Wannabee's. "Hey, what the heck is going on in your town?" I hear this when I am out of town, when someone asks where I live and I hear it from people visiting my town. And....it IS my town. Apparently, all of you "posters" feel the same way. We need a fix and I can't think of a place to start or how to start to fix up Wareham. I want my old Wareham back. I vote, but the choice of candidates is poor. The good people don't want to run for office because they don't want to be put in the same catagory as the clowns that are on the BOS, by association. We need a clean sweep in the BOS's and ITA's office. We need an ITA who's salary doesn't wipe out our tax dollars and who will not need the extravagant "perks" the others have had. We need maturity, wisdom, character and a strong moral fiber in all our selectmen, our ITA and our police department leaders. I would like to know why the word on the street is that Sgt. Kevin Walsh, will be the new Chief of Police. He is too young. His education is limited. He is a nice man, but will not be a fitting Chief. I think the only person that fits the bill for the new Chief, would be Lt. Wallace, who also holds a law degree. If anyone has EARNED this job, it is Acting Chief Wallace. He has the respect of his officers and I do believe that Officer Walsh does not. Where do we go from here?
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#19 2009-07-21 20:02:08
THE TOWN HAS GON E TO HELL.
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#20 2009-07-21 20:12:27
SLAGGER BITES BAGELS
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