#1 2009-07-07 19:10:22
BUMB KISSER MARCIA GRISWALD (WHO SHOULD NOT EVEN GET TO KEEP HER JOB AS COUNCIL ON AGEING DIRECTOR BECAUSE OF HER MEANNESS TO VOULENTEERS) HAS BEEN NAMED TEMP DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY WHAT A DAMM SHAM A GREAT LIBRARY TAKEN DOWN TO ITS KNEES, GOD HELP US ALL .
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#2 2009-07-07 21:01:42
Lol, she isn't qualified, unless she is hiding a Master's in Library Science somewhere. They did that so she can make life miserable for the Friends and the Trustee's. Good luck Marcia, I can't wait until you try and boss Nora Bicki around!
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#3 2009-07-07 21:09:05
Is she leaving the COA?
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#4 2009-07-07 21:09:35
SHE DOES NOT HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE , ISNT IT A FACT THAT FOR THE LIBRARY TO BE CERTIFIED THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MLS IN LIBRARY SICENCE, I THINK THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD ASK THE MASS LIBRARY COMMISIONERS FOR A NAME TO APPOINT TEMPORARY , HER APPOINMENT IS ILEGAL AND I THINK THE TRUSTEES SHOULD CONTACT THE LIBRARY COMMISIONERS FOR A RULEING. MARCIA IS A BOARD OF SELECTMAN SYCHOPHANT.
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#5 2009-07-07 21:12:36
Wow, I just vomited in my mouth. How the BOS could possibly justify this is beyond me.
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#6 2009-07-07 21:14:09
I think it really shows how little regard they have for the library - they think that just anyone can run it.
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#7 2009-07-07 21:23:41
Let's recap - our library is considered to be among the best in the state, to the point where Chronicle just did a story on it as a "must see" if you travel to Wareham.
Now the place is run by someone with no library experience. Thank you, Selectmen. That is just some fantastic leadership.
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#8 2009-07-07 21:45:11
Fine to be critical of people currently in the now "hooray", but MJP is no longer news. Join the Slager crew for that.
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#9 2009-07-08 15:47:45
From the online Courier: He [Sanguinet] said the Massachusetts Board of Library Commissioners “indicated this would be acceptable for up to three years,” even though Griswold does not hold the necessary degrees. He said as long as there is a library employee that does have the appropriate degrees, Griswold’s taking up the temporary position is suitable. He said there is someone at the library with the degrees, but he did not elaborate.
There are no current library employees with a masters of library science. So, what degrees count that are not library degrees? I'm stumped on that one.
In addition, I was told that the library employees learned they had a new boss when someone saw it on the town's website. As of noon today,they still have not been notified nor visited by the new acting director nor the ITA. Talk about good managerial skills. This is no way to treat hard working employees who are doing the jobs of two people each with all the people let go from their jobs there due to the budget cut.
Whether you like the library or not, you have to admit, that all town employees should be treated properly. Don't you think if you had a new job, you would stop by the building and say hello to the new people under you? Don't you think the ITA should have notified the staff personally so they wouldn't have to get their news from an outside source? In my opinion, this whole thing was handled very badly.
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#10 2009-07-08 16:35:40
Word is as long as there is someone there with a masters it's fine. It's fine with me.
She is a kind caring woman from what I have noticed.
Good luck to you Marcia.
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#11 2009-07-08 16:38:40
I'm sure that this woman is friendly and kind, but is she qualified? That is the point I think people are trying to make.
Should we put the Manager of McDonald's in as Town Administrator? I mean, he knows how to manage his business. How different can managing the Town be?
As long as someone in the building went to college, why not!
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#12 2009-07-08 16:48:14
HOWEVER THERE IS NO LIBRARIAN CURRENTLY THEIR WITH A MASTERS DEGREE. AND IF THEY DID HAVE A MS WHY WOULDNT YOU APPOINT THEM?
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#13 2009-07-08 17:00:43
If it's legal thats good enough for me. If they care and want to do a good job.
Actually the manager at McDonald's would probably do a good job. She is a very responsible conscience person.
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#14 2009-07-08 17:04:50
Once again, not about personality and your ability to run YOUR establishement... it's about qualifications. This is why we have college.
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#15 2009-07-08 18:29:58
mrMR PINK I AM SURE THE MCDONALDS MANGER IS A GOOD MANGER , BUT I DONT THINK SHE IS QUALIFIED TO RUN THE LIBRARY OR THE POLICE DEPT, A CHEESEBURGER IS DIFERENT THAN THE DEWY DESCIMAL SYSTEM OR A CRIMNAL. THE THING IS THAT I AM SAYING IT IS ILLEGAL FOR MARCIA GRISWALD TO RUN THE LIBRARY , YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN MLS DEGREE PURE AND SIMPLE , THATS THE RULE ,SANDQUIST IS LIEING , THE CHILDRENS LIBRAY HAD A BATCHLERS DEGREE AND THATS THE ONLY COLLEGE DEGREE DOWN THERE , BUT TO BE A CERTIFIED LIBRARY THERE HAS TO BE A MLS DEGREE ON THE STAFF TO BE CERTIFIED AND I SAY SANDQUIST IS A LIAR.
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#16 2009-07-08 19:37:56
Spent the day at the Multi Service Center talking to people and I made some phone calls. The people I talked to said Marcia has NEVER said anything positive about the library. The only thing they have heard out of her mouth are negative comments about the library, and the friends of the library.
If there is someone working at the library wiith a masters why weren't they offered the job? How much experience does she have and how long has it been since she worked in a library?
Maybe the ITA and the selectman want her in there to look for things that didn't turn up in the audit.
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#17 2009-07-08 19:44:59
There is no constructive reason to put Marsha in the library. It's more of the same....I guess the BOS won't be happy till they disassemble the library.
I think it would be a good idea for the library to become private and then go before town meeting to request funding.
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#18 2009-07-08 20:03:38
marny wrote:
Maybe the ITA and the selectman want her in there to look for things that didn't turn up in the audit.
My God! This audit will never live up to its hype. If they had something SUBSTANTIAL, it would be out by now. They have everything in their possession. They have a lot to live up to since they, AND their supporters are putting so much weight on it.
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#19 2009-07-08 20:20:40
sense, This audit was an action.. The reaction is very complicated and interesting.....
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#20 2009-07-08 20:22:07
Actually Marcia is an evil bitch, she was rude to my parents on their first visit to the COA and they haven't gone back. She isn't qualified and in case no one has figured it out, the only real reason to do this is because they have no intention of keeping the library open, so when they got no applications due to their own ineptness, they say they will appoint her, give her a nice raise for covering both and then next year when they are no longer liable to pay the state back they just shut the doors, too bad so sad. That's the plan, and Marcia is evil enough to help them implement it. I will never forget the look on my mom's face after her encounter with the warm and fuzzy Marcia. I had half a mind to report her, but realized that the COA has so few participants because of her evilness and once the library is closed the COA is up next.
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#21 2009-07-08 20:24:47
PinkPanther wrote:
Actually the manager at McDonald's would probably do a good job. She is a very responsible conscience person.
And you would know because that is the career path you chose? Seriously Pink, have you any idea how much trouble this Town is in? At first I thought you were just naive but now I seriously think you are purposely trying to make light of the very serious problems these idiots have caused that will cost us taxpayers for decades.
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#22 2009-07-08 20:58:19
even when the state approved it you still complain. i guess the only way you people would be happy is if one of your "buds" got the job.
oh yea, you guys really like diverse opinions!
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#23 2009-07-08 21:10:29
iliveinazoo--
"I have no desire for power or politics, but I have lived here all my life and have watched the lives of many be destroyed by this crew.
I am an older woman who enjoys my family more than anything. I have no desire to take time away from them. As I near retirement I envision myself here for summers and wintering somewhere warm like South Carolina.
I will say that I have worked for a large town since I was 19 years old, what is happening here became embarrassing when my boss commented to me about it. Prior to that I didn't pay attention. Shame on me."
so what is it? you getting ready to retire or are your parents 150 years old? what am supposed to believe.
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#24 2009-07-08 21:28:24
Well, since they said they worked for a large town since they were 19, I'd peg "zoos" age at 47-50. Since you only need 30 years (or 55 years of age) to work in the county retirement system, it would make sense that their parents are in their 70s.
Stop trying to create tension and stick to the topics.
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#25 2009-07-08 21:58:50
"Stop trying to create tension and stick to the topics."
oh sorry. you people were discussing "BUMB KISSER MARCIA GRISWALD" "Actually Marcia is an evil bitch" "due to their own ineptness" "MARCIA IS A BOARD OF SELECTMAN SYCHOPHANT."
didn't mean to cause tension. if the town is in trouble it can be laid right back at the feet of most who post on this board. even when things are approved by the state it will be undermined by many who post on this site. it is obvious that the goal is to undermine every action these selectmen do and when it goes to crap you'll stand up and say...see, i told you so.
sounds like a lack of control issue. and you don't need to wonder why citizens are upset with town workers. "Since you only need 30 years (or 55 years of age) to work in the county retirement system" i'd be willing to bet EVERYONE would like to retire at 55. and don't give me that 30 baloney, many people get jobs when they are in their teens and work till 65 and 70 for many now.
commonsense....don't play the high ground here. i give you credit for being intelligent but defending this libelous trash does you no favors.
back to topic......lets trash the coa director........
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#26 2009-07-08 22:12:15
We do not have to trash the COA Director. She does it to hershef every time she talks to one of her employees or her elderly clients. Oh Marcia , Marcia , Marcia. You are a winner!!!
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#27 2009-07-09 01:41:43
I THINK HOORAY IS A PERSON WHO IS MISERABLE WITH HER LIFE , TO LAY THE PROBLEMS OF THETOWN WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG IS REDICULOUS I SAY HOORAY WHY DONT YOU RETIRE NOW AND GET TO SOUTH CAROLINA SO WE DONT NEED TO LISTEN TO YOUR DRIBLE, I THINK IF THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY BAD WITH THE AUDITS IT WOULD BE OUT NOW, THE ONLY THING BAD ABOUT THE AUDUTS IS THERE COSTS . AUDITS SAYS SHE WORKS FOR A TOWN , MUST BE THE CLEANING LADY,SHE A A POOR SALERY AND WANTS A LAGER SALERY OF SAY A TOWN ACOUNTANT BUT IS ONLY A CLEANING LADY WITH A LOW SALERY, IF YOU LIKE BRUCE WHO SAYS WHEN HE TALKS TO SOMEBODY AT CITZENS PARTICIPATION , JESUS (ARE YOU DONE YET)., THEN YOU ARE NOT NICE PERSON , YOU ARE A HATEFUL , SPITFUL PERSON WHO HAS NEVER AMOUNTED TO ANYTHING , WHY DONT YOU BLOG OVER WITH THE OTHER LOSERS OVER ON THE RAG WEB SITE. MS LILY IS WATEING OVER THERE FOR YOU,
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#28 2009-07-09 10:01:11
We can't even be sure that the state said it was OK for her to be Acting Director because you have to question EVERYTHING that comes out of the ITA and BOS mouths. Even if they did say that who has a Masters Degree at the library now?
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#29 2009-07-09 10:34:10
What you have to realize is that the Selectmen are crafty. If it appears they are making a completely bonehead decision, it may be for a reason. As an example, there were many bonehead decisions made during the Maple Springs Debacle. People were scratching their heads wondering what the heck was going on. In the end, they got what they were looking for. They shut down Maple Springs Road to commercial traffic.
It may be there intention to make sure the library is de-certified. If you take steps to set up failure, you eventually get failure.
As far as the ITA, you are right. He is a two-faced game player. He would never have the gonads to stand up to the Selectmen and certainly not to a private citizen. Eventually, BOTH will have to account for the lies, but right now, they are making a mockery of this town.
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#30 2009-07-09 11:35:33
Good morning IHL...when you taunt me, you must be missing me so I'm here to say hi...
It is nice to see that I am no longer the only opposing viewpoint around here anymore...that being said, it gives me the chance to say thanks for always being very respectful of me, as well as my opinions when they were the only ones here from "the other side"...even before Billw's warning...it will be nice to see that continue...all except for you IHL...I won't feel special anymore if you allow anyone else to escape the full brunt of your abuse like you have with me...only I get to crap in my hat, they must sh**...
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#31 2009-07-09 11:58:31
Ms Lilly,
Debate is good for the soul. If everyone had the same opinion, this would be a dull world. You have to applaud IHL for releasing his anger. If you allow it to build up inside you, you have a very disturbed and dangerous person.
That said, care to weigh in the crafty Selectmen and their dismantling of the library and Maple Springs Road?
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#32 2009-07-09 16:36:53
maplesprings....if debate is good for the soul and releasing anger is good for you......why was all my posts on this thread earlier deleted. and posters edited their remarks to remove any responses to my posts which ended 2009-07-07 21:52:32
it seems quite obvious that posters were in contact with someone and coordinated their effort.
you only seem to like anger being released when it is directed at people you don't like.
hey liz, read that post again real carefully. it was in quotation marks referring to a post by iliveinazoo.
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#33 2009-07-09 18:15:12
well good to see you ms lily , debate is goos for the soul, but you need to check your facts as i have done and when you do you will come down on our side.
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#34 2009-07-09 19:41:44
hoorayforAUDITS wrote:
iliveinazoo--
"I have no desire for power or politics, but I have lived here all my life and have watched the lives of many be destroyed by this crew.
I am an older woman who enjoys my family more than anything. I have no desire to take time away from them. As I near retirement I envision myself here for summers and wintering somewhere warm like South Carolina.
I will say that I have worked for a large town since I was 19 years old, what is happening here became embarrassing when my boss commented to me about it. Prior to that I didn't pay attention. Shame on me."
so what is it? you getting ready to retire or are your parents 150 years old? what am supposed to believe.
Hmmm, Hooray cannot add, if you have been keeping such close tabs on me then you would know that I started working for my employer when I was 19 and have been there 40 years, that makes me 59. My parents are both 80 and going strong. Please make a note that my birthday is October 28th, I will be looking for the card. If my parents were 150 years old then I would be about 130 since I am their first child and they were about 20 when I was born. Nice try but no dice Hooray.
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#35 2009-07-09 20:02:15
iliveinazoo wrote:
iliveinazoo--
I am an older woman .
Sorry when I called you Rocketman...
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#36 2009-07-09 21:04:18
For the record, I did call the MBLC today and spoke at length to a representative who clarified that an interim/acting director is not required to possess an MLS regardless of whether or not any staff members do. So the ITA got part of it right. Also note that no one on staff possesses an MLS like he suggested. Lastly note that the three years started upon MJP's departure as Susan P was acting having never been appointed as director. Had she been, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation. So as stated, we've received three "qualified" applications and should be able to expect a new director in a few weeks putting all this question to rest. As for Ms. Griswald, I had a pesonal encouter with her on Main Street where she exhibited road rage with specific expletives. When I confronted her to suggest she should be more careful with who she's saying what to on the streets of town, she excused her actions because she is "used to the streets of Roxbury or Dorchester" (I forget which). I reminded her she's in Wareham now. Maybe that's the same reason for treating people the way she does.
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#37 2009-07-09 21:16:01
It doesn't really matter what she is used to. She is in Wareham now. As a department head, wouldn't you think she would exhibit better behavior??? After all, what if it were sweet - do you know who I am - brucie that she ran into...but then again 2 rage-aholics could become quite dangerous.
Where is this woman from? She still is in her probationary phase, where would she get the idea she could lose control in the middle of town and it would go unnoticed?
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#38 2009-07-09 21:55:10
mixie wrote: "It doesn't really matter what she is used to. She is in Wareham now."
LOL!!! brandi hill, cromesett, shangri-la, woods at...what?, onset ave. ya might want to get out of the library and get a scanner.
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#39 2009-07-09 23:21:39
marcia, marcia , marcia this sounds like she is showing the town what she is like. And wants to be known as. She is the Bitch and wants to be known as such.
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#40 2009-07-10 02:49:48
marcia the bitch, the fowl mouth director of the council on ageing , fits rite in with this crowd , she has a fowl mouth just like her pal brocton brenda , i can see her at the library when some one askd a refference question and she answers how the fuck do i know what the capital of mass is , the books are out there , go look it up , cant you see i am talking on the phone with my pal brenda, , she gets back on the phone and talks to brenda you will not guess what they asked me , what is the capital of mass , hey isnt it chelsea , she answers no shit head its brocton., marcia answers and i was doing my nails , by the way brenda asks where were you a librain and she answers , why i checked out books at the chelsea ma library, then an old lady walks in and sees marcia and mumbles under her breath and starts to leave and says my gid she was so mean to me at the coucil an ageing meeting when she told me to vote for jand donahue for selectman and i told her she was bad for wareham and she told me to screw off.
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#41 2009-07-10 07:12:33
bbrady states above that he called the library commisioners ,he said no library people have an mls and marcia does not why not see if there is someoe retired with an mls that can take the job , sanquist tolld susann her job was over at the library at the end of june , why was the job not posted before then so we could have someone with an mls ., i am sorry would you hire a plumer for a school teacher, the ans is no.
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#42 2009-07-10 07:29:10
The new library director is supposed to be hired by the end of the month which is not so far away. This will be over soon, so Ms. Griswald won't be in this position very long.
Since we know library directors are highly literate, one can only assume all the applicants for the job have read about Wareham and the problems the library has had to endure.
If the new director comes with an open mind, he/she will see what a great library we have, that the town has great potential, and that not everyone in town hates the library.
I say good luck to the new director who will deserve the support of the entire town.
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#43 2009-07-10 07:44:32
Even knowing how strange Wareham is I find it difficult to fathom how an entire public library can function without one staff member with an MLS. There are many behind the scenes tasks that require special knowledge and training.
Is there a reference librarian? Is there a tech services librarian? Is there a children's librarian?
Who is in charge of materials selection and ordering? While there are services that can do this for a fee, and they say they will take into account the special interests of a community, there's nothing like having a trained librarian who lives in your community do this.
Generally in libraries the size of Wareham's these people all have an advanced degree, either an MLS or its state library board recognized equivalent.
If all Wareham's library has staffing it are people without such credentials, competent as they may be, it is being operated without librarians.
Is it possible Wareham has a library without librarians?
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#44 2009-07-10 12:05:10
hoorayforAUDITS wrote:
maplesprings....if debate is good for the soul and releasing anger is good for you......why was all my posts on this thread earlier deleted. and posters edited their remarks to remove any responses to my posts which ended 2009-07-07 21:52:32
it seems quite obvious that posters were in contact with someone and coordinated their effort.
you only seem to like anger being released when it is directed at people you don't like.
hey liz, read that post again real carefully. it was in quotation marks referring to a post by iliveinazoo.
Hooray,
I have no idea why your posts or responses to your posts are deleted. I do have a couple of things I want to discuss with you. I understand that the state okay'ed the appointment of the COA director "based on there being a person holding the proper credentials working for the library". What that means is that means is the state conditionally okay'ed the appointment. The question isn't whether the state approved it, it's whether or not there is someone at the library holding the proper degrees. I don't know if that is the case, so i cannot comment on the situation.
What I commented on is the ability of the ITA to lie and twist information. If you don't believe that is the case, I can assure you I have proof. I also commented on the ability of the Selectmen to "guide" a sequence of events to result in a certain outcome. If the outcome costs the taxpayers of Wareham money that could have been avoided with better fiscal decisions, then you have personal interest guiding the Selectmen.
Now, you may not agree with my comments, that is your right. If IHS wants to vent, what better place than here? As far as the people posting here ruining the town. I don't know if anyone that posts here that is making decisions for this town, so they cannot be blamed for the current conditions of this town. The responsible parties are all under the title of Selectmen and you can toss the ITA in that group. They are making the decisions and spending the money. I
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#45 2009-07-10 13:52:28
Maplesprings Road Man wrote:
I don't know if anyone that posts here that is making decisions for this town, so they cannot be blamed for the current conditions of this town.
Technically, registered voters fall into that catagory, so I'm sure that covers a majority of us, if not everyone, that posts here...
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#46 2009-07-10 14:01:49
Ms Lilly,
Unfortunately, you are right. Not all of us, but a great portion of us chose not to vote in the election. So, if you want to lay the blame on the voters, you have a point.
The good news is based on the level of competency the current Selectmen have displayed, I sense a great deal of voters WILL turn out in the next election.
As far as the actual decisions, I have talked to more people that do not support the Selectmen than people that do. That is based on the decisions they are making.
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#47 2009-07-10 14:58:08
I have a suggestion. What if someone sets up a poll site (here maybe), and try to promote it (i dunno maybe bumper stickers or an ad in the Rag). And try to get people's awareness up about issues occurring in the town. Maybe base the questions on issues raised/covered in the BOS meetings. etc. If successful we stand to have a better informed and increased electorate.
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#48 2009-07-10 15:10:27
No, no, not the rag. Put an ad in the Courier or the ST but please do not support the rag. Savage Joe, maybe you haven't been following us, but on July 4 we declared independence from the rag with the theory that if we don't read it, the rag will lose a large portion of its readership (the others who read it means he's just preaching to the bos choir) and it will shrivel up and die.
The rag has destroyed and hurt many good people in town with his many lies and exaggerations. Please join us in never reading the rag again.
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#49 2009-07-10 15:17:58
I think I was going for the irony of using it to "Promote the Enemy". They probably would deny the business if they felt it went against their interests.
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#50 2009-07-10 15:56:06
Sorry if I missed the irony--some new people on this site seem to be rag lovers. Plus, I think he would sell an ad to the devil since our boycott of businesses definitely had a negative impact on the rag. He had hired an ad director who lasted two issues or so then just seemed to disappear into the dark hole along with all of his other employees. He is known to run ads of businesses even after their time expired. That's a mark of desperation. Let's push him over the edge so he can join his former employees in that dark hole.
Glad you have joined us in declaring independence Savage Joes.
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#51 2009-07-10 17:58:32
There are a two easy ways someone coming to a new town, whether they are considering moving there or opening a locating a business there, can get a feel for the community.
Interestingly they involve the debate on this thread.
One is to drop by the COA and talk to staff and chat with those who use its services.
The other of course is to drop by the library. Ask some reference questions, tell the staff you are new to town and ask questions.
See what kind of reception you get at both places, see what the atmosphere is.
Get a feel for staff morale.
This is the kind of information you don't get by looking up taxation figures, school rankings and per capita ratio of police and fire to population. But it is what potential residents and business want to know. These are important but so are less easy to discern aspects of quality of life.
And of course any savvy person looking to move themselves or their company to a new place will check blogs like this.
Is Wareham a town with a library without librarians and a COA with a director who is mean to the seniors who use it? I don't know but reading these posts sure raises red flags for me.
Wareham needs to get its house in order. The town is hurting itself and will continue to do so until it does.
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#52 2009-07-10 19:07:31
I do believe that the Children's Librarian holds a Master's degree, also, please give credit to all the hard working employees remaining at the library that they know how to do their jobs.
Someone out there will take on the Library Director's job. I am disappointed in the response because so many libraries are making cuts and a number of very qualified people are collecting unemployment. I do appreciate that potential employers google potential employees and vice versa.
What we, as a community need to do is support the library through this transition. Regardless of who holds the title of "Acting Library Director", it isn't about the person it is about the place. If we want positive change then we need to lead by being positive examples.
If each of us focuses on the positive the situation will turn out much better.
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#53 2009-07-10 21:57:47
iWHY THEN WASNT ONE OF THE LIBRAINS AT THE LIBRARY NAMED ACTING HEAD LIBRAIN , THE COUNCIL ON AGEING DIRECTOR SHOULD NOT EVEN KEEP HER JOB , HER 6 MONTHES REVIEW IS UP AND SHE SHOULD BE SHOWN THE DOOR, SHE REMINDS ME OF ANOTHER COUNCIL ON AGEING DIRECTOR WHO WAS MEAN TO THE ELEDERY PAT MCCLOUD, THE CHILDRENS LIBRAIN COULD HOLD A MASTERS DEGRREE BUT IT IS NOT AN MLS . THESE LIBRIANS WORK HARD AND ONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO BE THE ACTING DIRECTOR NOT THE COUCIL ON AGEING DIRECTOR.
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