oh before i forget mixie, you never answered my question. did the library try to stop the audit on computers donated by the friends of the library to the wareham PUBLIC LIBRARY? when the phone don't ring, i'll know its you.

yep frogs, real national security issue there. hmmm. l-i-b-r-a-r-y c-a-r-d holder info. real secret squire stuff there. what i don't understand? if it is so sensitive, why are such sensitive information as l-i-b-r-a-r-y c-a-r-d holder information NOT being stored on TOWN OWNED computers where official security procedures can insure that there is no unauthorized disclosure of this sensitive information.

seems to me that SOMEONE is not insuring the safety of town resident information by putting it on a private system outside the reach and security monitoring of  whoever handles the town IT security.

and if you say you can't trust town government or its employees................

Good to hear Pink.
Hooray, the library's system is on SAILS, that is the system that stores info. And no, the Town has no business accessing people's library records.

so who is the regulatory or elected entity responsible for oversight?

who is held accountable for breaches in security?

mr hate. if their not the towns, GET THEM OUT OF A TOWN OWNED PUBLIC BUILDING! no weaseling about public/private entities. can YOU say conflict of interest?

you people just don't want to be held to any one standard. you'll collect taxpayer money, get payed by taxpayers but feel you should not be held to any taxpayer oversight.

frogs, you obviously don't belong in any governmental organization if you don't realize who you work for. there is a reason its called   public service.

Mr. Audit:
I happen to be very familiar with governmental organization and I fully understand who the employees, elected officials and volunteers are working for. Me and you and everyone else in Wareham.
However, whether I belong in public service (or even if I am in public service) is irrelevant. In fact I did work for a municipality for quite some time and left. Now I do more exciting things like blog.
I have absolutely no problem when the TA has a reasonable belief that an employee is misusing or abusing the town owned equipment. Whether it is a computer or anything else for that matter. My issue here is that there is no scope to this "audit" and because no one knows what they are looking for it becomes a fishing expedition.
I have a problem with this because it requires thec opying of information that the ITA does not need to complete an actual investigation into wrong doing, but since he isn't looking for specific wrong doing then he has to look everywhere in the hope that he will find it.
I am sure he will find that people book vacations and check personal e-mail. I do not have a problem with that, I have run a business and had employees and you know, they are human.
I think the public in general believes that they have a right to scrutinize the public employee in a manner that no one else is subject to. I disagree with that. I do believe that (as I state above) employees, elected officials and volunteers are all accountable to the tax payer. But, where is there a shred of evidence that anyone has done anything wrong?
I respect your privacy, if you have a book on hold I am not privy to the title of that book. If you have disclosed personal financial information during an abatement process I am not privy to that information. If you were transported to Tobey via ambulance because you took a little blue pill and had an erection that lasted more than 8 hours I am not privy to that information.
But, here's the thing, NO ONE knows where any of that private information is now. That's my point, that's all. If you want me to hear you then you need to hear me.

i agree with you frogs. macarthy and hoover, though are long dead. the idea that the town knows what books someone takes out, while not desirable, is not life threatening to liberty if investigators come across it during an investigation. 

the argument about the assessors files and privacy is laughable considering the accusations, whether true or not, by individuals on this board about certain town figures. or about police records on people. please! before people take the high ground, don't forget people see the hypocrisy.

does an audit require the same guidelines as a warrant? can an audit be a fishing expedition? maybe, but i'm not so sure. an audit is just that. too generate a record of past use and veracity.

i agree with you on this matter, i don't care two bits if people do their online banking, book a plane ticket or read the news online during work hours when there is down time. just like i don't consider it a major offense if someone gets a pic in their inbox of a nude woman. i know women will scream its porn but its not. a pee pee slapping is all that's necessary. no pun intended.

but actually searching for porn is another matter. and one that warrants removal.

i think i should clarify my position on audits being necessary for law enforcement. i have little fear of any serpico type corruption with wpd. why i feel audits are necessary is that corruption is like a cancer and needs to be ruthlessly excised before it can spread. we rely on the integrity of our law enforcement and no matter how much one tries you get bad apples. this applies to any and every group. from priests to military to fast food workers.

i am generally comfortable with the wpd, i hope this has been clarified.

"But, where is there a shred of evidence that anyone has done anything wrong?"  i want spinney, and the "friends of the library" out in the open . not that i care about the library, but that money (especially in this economic downturn) be FULLY accounted. and if it takes 50 grand to do it, so be it.

Audits... In this economic downturn shouldn"t the selectman and TA be more fiscally responsible. Town employees have lost their jobs, and some of these employees may never get their jobs back. Town employees have agreed to furloughs to help save their jobs and help the town save money. People are hurting financially. To throw away 50 plus grand is just nuts.

I'm not crazy about people shopping on-line, emailing friends, or downloading porn at work, but it happens all over the country. I don't think we should waste 50 grand to establish whether town employees are guilty of these minor infractions. As Bill said, you should listen to the tape of the ES. The selectman do mention that they want to find the bloggers. However the bloggers may not be their only target.

The problem is the selectman and the TA aren't being transparent. They are the ones that seem to be hiding everything. I can understand not saying anything before the audit but after the data was collected, they could have and should have told the tax payers that they were looking for x y z. Instead they chose to keep everything a secret. Whatever they find, if anything, they can say "oh yeah that's what we thought we would find, we were right.

That's right a recession not voluntarilly spent money to see if employees are blogging as stated in the audio.

so who should we all feel more sorry for? you may not believe it but i do feel for anyone having it hard right now. i blame those in washington who have sold us down the river to china. no one can live on a salary at dunkin donuts or burger king but those traitors in DC have helped to make sure those are the only jobs left. and they're still not happy until they've imported half central america to take those jobs as well.

what many people are getting tired of is public unions screaming for more money and people who are having it tough having their taxes go while making less every week. is it any wonder massachusetts is one of the highest states for taxpayer emigration?

So Hooray when was the last time you got a raise? Why don't you post your salery here. How about disclosing your benifits packge. Mabey why don't you go into work tommorow and demand  that your employer sieze all computers at your workplace for no particular reason than to find somthineg that may not even exsist and when you do, make sure that you demand that they make you take two or three unpaid days off so they can fund it. You will come back with some snappy comback I'm sure but I'm equally sure that you will not post the information because it is none of our buisness. When someone is a public employee they don't have that option because everything is public information to the tax payers.
   I work at a company that has been stuggling as of late. We have not experienced layoffs,but our increases have been less.Something is better than nothing though. That is what Municipal employees have seen in the past 3 years nothing, zip, nada. The managers took a 10% pay cut at the beginnig of year along with a huge amount of abuse by this BOS.
   The Unions are not screaming for huge amounts of money like you would like to claim. They realize that the Town is struggling, That is why they agreed to take unpaid furlough days when asked to by the ITA. What they are screaming for how ever is for the Town to at least come to the table and negotiate.To me that is a reasonable expectation. You keep talking about peoples sentiment towards public employees is anger that they would even want one penny while others are making less and others are paying more in taxes. What I will continue to say to that is public employees are paying more taxes too. The difference here is they are having to pay it while dealing with the ignorance of some tax payers that would rather convince themselves that Public Employees have it easy than realize that for the most part Public Employees are in the same boat as they are.
   Public Employee's are not looking for sympathy. They have more Pride than that. However a reasonble amount of respect should not be too much to ask for.

We kicked our own ass. Been saying that for years.  Remember when it was a proud thing to pick something up and read the lable Made in the USA? 
Rich buttheads wanted cheap labor.  Sent much of our work to that poor country China.  Now they are better off then we are.   
I know there are several police on this site.  But I am so tired of hearing the complaints about their jobs and how hard it is and how they don't make enough money.  How mean the BOS has been to them because they don't think they are all heros,  how bad all the teens are how the old station is rickety how old the cruisers are how they need more tasers.   Sorrry guys and gals.  There's no money.   I am not saying you have an easy job.  Just that you have a job. A very important job at that.  My man has been working at the same place for many many years.  He is brilliant at what he does.  He still gets one week vaca a year.  paid I mean.  He has not got a raise in many years.   But we are thankful that he has a job.  We have helped people almost everyday for free we don't expect hero badges and we don't brag about it.  We just do it because it is the right thing to do.  As far as the library goes I love it.   
Just my opinion again.

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Last edited by Molly (2009-07-04 09:46:55)

Walked around Onset center this a.m.  It looks wonderful.  People bustleing around.  One young man playing drums and buckets on the side walk. Kids scuffeling off to the beach. Everyone looking so happy to see the sunshine.  It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.

Molly - isnt that the Ragman's argument?  He doesn't force anyone to read the rag?  No one is forced to read this site either.

Audits, you could always donate your raise to a soup kitchen.  I'm sure you will.