SO I WAS CHECKING RAGBOYS WEBSITE OUT AND LOW AND BEHOLD EVERYTHING WAS ACCESSIBLE. WANT TO SEE WHAT HIS SUCCESSFUL "CHATS" ARE. WELL IT ABOUT 4 PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT NONSENSE AND MICHAEL JACKSON. HERE IS WHAT I CUT AND PASTED.
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By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Hello, everyone. This is Robert Slager. Welcome to our third LIVE CHAT, a weekly event held each Sunday between 8 to 10 p.m. (or longer, if requested). I hope you all had a nice weekend. Is there anyone out there?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Paging blog warrior Ms. Lilly, the voice of truth and reason in cyberspace.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Hello Mr. Slager. Where is our kind Ms.Lilly? I'm sure she'll be right along.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Hello, Telsa. Thanks for saving me from watching Princess Protection Program on the Disney Channel (I've seen it now three times now!)

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
good evening to you!!! It's been a busy weekend...my fingers are tired :-)

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Hehe, your welcome. Hows life treating you. Hope you and your family are well.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
Hi Telsa!!!!

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I imagine so, Ms. Lilly. You are all over the place. Or should I call you Jane Donahue?

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Hi Ms. Lilly, so very nice to see you this evening. I hope all is well for you and your family too. What have you been so busy doing?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I noticed that the hate bloggers have made it their mission to discover your secret identity, Ms. Lilly. Anyone who can thwart their nonsense with logic must be exposed!

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Telsa, thanks. My family is doing fine. The girls went to another birthday party yesterday. It seems like there is one just about every weekend.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
Isn't it crazy? The best part is if they found out who I am, they wouldn't know who I am...too funny...

Telsa, I've been battling the blogs all weekend...conversed with a couple of "newbies", which is a bit more wordy than when you're doing with the regulars...

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
FYI: Ms. Lilly is NOT Jane Donahue. That's the latest bit of misinformation being ciculated among the hate bloggers. Anytime somebody intelligently responds to their silly claims they get branded a selectmen or publisher in disguise.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Private fireworks are not legal. There can be purchased in new Hampshire legally, but they are not supposed to be used here. Of course, that doesn't stop anyone. I live near a lake, and the week leading to the Fourth of July sounds a little like Platoon.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Hi Betty, Fire works drive my dogs crazy. I don't mind a little bit. But not for weeks on end. I hear there will be no police in Onset for the fireworks. Do you think that is true?

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
We had a birthday party today too...have you ever heard of the "Mad Scientist"? He does all types of neat scientific tricks...wicked cool...I think I enjoyed the show more than the kids!

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
There will be police in Onset during the fire works, as far as I know.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
My daughters have seen the Mad Scientist many times. He's cool. He performed for a Brownie event a while back. He's quite the entertainer, and the kids learn stuff too. It's great.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Ms Lilly, That is wonderful. Science is great for the children. They get to have fun and learn at the same time. I have never heard of him though.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I think the confusion about police protection came from a comment Sauvageau made during a selectmen meeting when he wondered if the Cape Verdean festival needed extra police this year.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Hi all. This is my first chance to be a part of LIVE CHAT actually live. I've enjoyed reading the post's post-chat.


By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Welcome, WarehamWoman. Thanks for joining us.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Oh, Perhaps that was it. I thought that could not be true. That is one of the busiest nights in this area.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
I was hoping he changed up his "tricks" from party to party so I could hire him for the boys...I agree....he was very, very entertaining...

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Hi WarehamWoman. Glad to see you made it.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
The fireworks rumor was just another distortion by the bloggers. There is no way a crowd of that size would not require a police presence. The liability for the town would be off the chart if something happened with no police there.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
What shall we discuss this fine evening?

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
Welcome WarehamWoman, nice to meet you...I am not Jane... :-)

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
I was wondering if anyone had heard any more on the ridiculous plan the hatebloggers were brewing up to recall the selectmen? I haven't had the time to check out their website to see if they were still trying to find a hall for their planning meeting. Has anyone heard?

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
MsLilly, .. I am not Jane either. :) You are too funny.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Hi Telsa & MsLilly, nice to meet you too.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I haven't heard of anything official happening. The funny thing about this is a recall attempt takes time. If the audit turns out to reveal a lot of stuff, the recall crew will look a little silly.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Of course, I've always thought this recall attempt has far more to do with ending the litigation between the town and the former trustees.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
I'm pretty sure they've put it on the back burner, at least for now...I'm not familiar with the process...if they were successful in having the entire board recalled, would they have to have a minimum of 5 replacement candidates to run in order for the whole process to continue?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
That depends on who they are trying to recall. I don't think they will go after the whole board. I think they are targeting Eckstrom, Sauvageau and Cronan. Cruz is too new and Donahue has too much support. I think they will fail, but I suspect that's their game plan. That's why they tried to get the recall rules changed at town meeting. They wanted to create a way of putting an entire slate of candidates on a ballot. Fortunately, the town saw through that nonsense.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Yes, I agree Mr. Slager. I think they would like to get their own selected slate into office to have the majority vote on various issues.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Don't forget to refresh this page every minute or so to see new comments. That's the best may to make sure this forum is moderated.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Please call me Rob, WarehamWoman. We're all in a casual, friendly environment here.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
My kids have just come downstairs for the third time since 8 p.m. They say they "can't sleep" but I suspect they just need a few last hugs!

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I think their talk of recall may get the selectmen more support. Thats the word on the street.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
The recall attempt is so transparent. The fact that they're talking about this before the results of the audit are in pretty much says it all. If it wasn't for the Standard-Times' slanted coverage, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
So hypothetically, we'd probably be looking at 3...I would think that even if they were successful in getting the signatures, they'd have a tough time finding anyone to run...especially under the circumstance...no one is volunteering on their website, and quite a few have said they wouldn't, thank goodness...

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I have to say, the CBW is playing it smart by laying low right now and not writing a bunch of propoganda on its web site. If the audit proves to be as damning as I expect, the CBW will want to distance itself as much as possible or the group won't have any political capital left at all.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Whenever I get a chance I let the selectmen know that I appreciate their dedication to trying to get the town back on track and bringing truth and honesty back to town government. They get so much negativity from the other press and bloggers, that I want to be sure they know how much they are appreciated.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I don't think I want to even read that paper anymore. They seem so unfair.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
On a different note, I do think the selectmen need to start releasing more information about the audit soon. I understand why they would want to be thorough and protect the town legally as much as possible, but their relative silence is allowing the opposing to fill the void with all sorts of ridiculous claims.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Rob have you heard anything about when the results might be released?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
It's funny about the Standard-Times. I use to think the paper was a little better than people gave it credit for. But the past month or so has been absolutely embarrassing. I have no issue with peple having an opposing viewpoint. But the factual distortions have been staggering. I've been in this business for 25 years, including four with the Boston Herald, and I've never seen this kind of slanted coverage before.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, Perhaps they can not say much while it is ongoing.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I asked Sauvageau about that last week when I called him for comment on the library trustee story. The selectmen might release the audit reports in stages because of the tremendous amount of information now being reviewed.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
He wouldn't say much more than that. It's a little frustrating for me as a reporter. I would like more specific information, but I do understand the scope of this audit and the ramifications it will most certainly have. Selectmen are obviously being very cautious to make sure their report is air-tight with specific evidence.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, Well that is understandable. These things do take time.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Did anyone catch David Smith's column in the Courier about how he received phony information about Sauvageau? That's the best journalism I have seen from Smith in some time.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I saw it. Wasn't that something? Shocking. I couldn't believe the others weren't all over that.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
HI Rob
As far as releasing information on the audit results, I already posted about the deafening silence from the bigger investigators in this story. What is your take on their silence?

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Rob, I must say I got a kick out of your Crystal Ball this week saying that Jane Donahue will always be the smartest person in the room. I must say that I agree with you. She is one smart woman with a lot of class and integrity. We are lucky to have her as a selectman.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I don't think the DA is involved yet because not all the information has been released yet. This audit is just one step in what will certainly be a far bigger investigation.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Jane Donahue is the only person in Wareham I would be nervous to debate. She makes that "other guy" look like a fifth-grader.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
Oh wouldn't that be a hoot, Telsa...that would be true Karma!!! If God hadn't played such a nasty trick on me by messing with the neurotransmitters that control my oral speech department, I might have actually considered it...but the only way I'd have even the slightest shot at it is if I'd never have to speak, and I don't think that would win me too many votes :-) But look no further if you need a campaign manager or a speech written...

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
I am also curious about your Woody Allen quote. I love your paper. Some people just read it. I love to read into it.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Some things are meant to be interpretated by our readers, angel-joe. I'll leave it at that for now.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
I think Robert Slager will always be the smartest person in the room...

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Mslilly, I have the same neurotransmitter issues. That would be the karma. Get worse than they had. Ya know the old grass is always greener bit. giggle ..

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Thank you, angel-joe. I think I may be more street smart than book smart, however. A lot of people have more formal education. But I have experienced a whole lot of life in my 44 years. I have seen a lot of things, both good and bad. That helps me as a journalist.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
I know, they are meant to be interpreted.. trouble is, the ones supposed to be interpreting, aren't getting it...Isn't that a scary thought.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Well said, angel-joe. You just made me smile.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
MsLilly, I mean I talk too much.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
Did I understand correctly that the bloggers were trying to say that the fake emails supposedly came from the attorney of the fired accountant? I didn't completely get it because of the way the blog was written...

And re: the audit...are they going to be able to release any incriminating info found at the library (if there is any) if the case gets settled?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Ms. Lilly, you have a great tolerance for abuse from the hatebloggers. How did you develop such a thick skin? It's impressive.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I think a lot of those who don't get Rob have spent too much time in one place and don't realize there is a whole big old world outside of this area. It takes a lot of different kinds of people to make life interesting. I very much like the style of Robs writting. Even though he catches hell for it.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Two excellent questions, Ms. Lilly. Let me take them one at a time. I doubt the attorney for Robert Bliss would pull a stunt like that. He could be disbarred. The potential gain would not be worth the risk.
As far as sealing the library records, I'm not entirely sure. I'm working on that. I will say if the town tries to seal that information, the Observer will file a Freedom of Information Act request to get it. I beleive the public has the right to know, and we would go so far as to sue to being that information to light.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Usually when a case is settled. You must sign something swearing you will not discuss it. At least to my knowledge thats how it usually goes.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
my problem is I have half the conversation in my head and then don't understand why no one knows what the heck I'm talking about...hey, maybe we should run on the ticket as a duo ...you talk too much, I talk (out loud) too little so combined, we'd be just right...

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Thanks, Telsa. The thing I have never understood is that if some people hate the Observer why do they read it so thoroughly? I'm not putting a gun to their heads. They have a choice. But they do read the paper. Some of the hate bloggers can quote from stories written two tears ago. That's kind of freaky to me. I'm not sure I could do that.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
Glad to make you smile. I am thinking right now about a love hate relationship with your paper. I love the fact that you have exposed many insidious problems in my town... My town.. especially the racism. I hate the fact that your revelations rocked my world... as I always always thought that Wareham was "evolved." ... that we were all neighbors, and the volunteerism, and there for each other, no matter the color or creed or religion. Reading into your paper over the last 3 years makes me want to scream, "just say it isn't so." ...

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Ms. Lilly is smart and probably doesn't get her feeling hurt easily like myself. If I don't love you, you can't hurt my feelings. Because they are just not that important to me.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I laugh when people claim how wonderful things were in Wareham before the new administration came in. Well, yeah, it was good for them. They were on top. But how great was it for the people on the bottom, those folks who were struggling to make ends meet while they were double-taxed by the town to give the library a half million dollar budget.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
and I thought that "redlining" real estate happened somewhere else.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, You are their biggest obsession They actually make the time and take the effort to make cartoons of you. The whole site revolves around you. They are making you famous. They may make you infamous.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Telsa, I like your philosophy. For me, it's a matter of respect. If I don't respect somebody, they can't hurt my feelings.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I realize I probably shouldn't admit this, but I find some of the cartoons amusing. Of course, the base the diologue on lies, but it's clever somtimes. These people should take that time and talent and do something more productive with it, though. Ultimately it's a waste of resources.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Sorry for the typos. I'm working fast here.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
That's why you are the best...I would love to see the town save itself some legal fees by settling but I don't think there is anything I want to know more than what is found at the library...even if the info is eventually "leaked", you know it will "all be lies"...it has to be "official"

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, I agree they are entertaining. We are laughing at them.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Everything that exposes their agenda is a "lie." I'll say this, these people are well-versed in the art of media manipulation.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Personally, I don't think the town will settle. I can't see Sauvageau, Eckstrom or Cronan accepting that. Donahue may be willing to negotiate (just a feeling). It's really hard to know what Cruz is thinking because he doesn't publically share his thoughts very often.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
Street smart versus book smart? What does that matter? Seems those who are book smart in this town, cough cough, are the ones who are not getting it, get it?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Potter has a say because he was sued as an individual as part of the civil rights violation claim by the former trustees. I'm sure he wants out of all this, since he's not a selectmen anyone. But why would the selectmen settle now? They've gone this far. Discovery is almost over. Summary judgment is just around the corner. There's no logic to it. I believe what Sauvageau told me. I think the town agreed with the former trustees' request for mediation because a federal court judge would have requested that step eventually before the case went any further.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, your statement back abit how they say things were so wonderful before. They were not paying attention. No one would print the truth. So it wasn't in their face. Maybe they really were not aware. Who knows?

Media manipulation. They wrote what was released and only what was released. Thats my take on that.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I think street smart means you have been humbled by life enough to realize you don't know everything and are not not afraid to ask.

By: angel-joe on 6/28/09
I am signing off Rob but here is some food for thought. I once heard an Ivy Leager mispronounce a very very common Irish name. I asked another Ivy Leager, how could that be and the answer was, "some people are just brought up book smart", that's all they know.. they are not exposed to much else... even something simple as knowing how to pronounce a very common name... So, does that excuse the rest of the moral ignorance, because that is what they learned or did not learn?

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I agree, Telsa. People were afraid to challenge the power elite in Wareham. It was all about the status quo. A small group of people had the money and the power to get what they wanted. Whenever somebody would try to stand it their way, they would try to crush them.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Goodnight, angel-joe. Thanks for joining us tonight.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I also think street smarts is a lot of times more important in life than book smarts. Learning from actual life gives us the upper hand when it comes to dealing with people. Also we tend to have an open mind. Not a lot surprises us. Plus we tend to be more intuitive of lifes surroundings.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, I know of which you speak. I was nearly crushed by them.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I agree, Telsa. Some people are incapable of adapting to changes in their surroundings. They fall to pieces if the "established order" is interupted. I think the reason the power elite lost control is that they had grown so arrogant they couldn't accept the changes occuring right before their eyes. They were certain that their old tactics would be successful once again. They didn't learn until it was too late that they needed to change their tactics to keep up with a changing political climate in Wareham.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
You are impressed with my thick skin? You are kidding, right? I couldn't stand 1/2 of what you do...a 1/4 even...strangely enough, you and I have shared very similar childhood experiences...perhaps that's where both of us get our "great tolerance for abuse" from...



By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Without compromising your identity, what happened Telsa? Are you comfortable talking about that?

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
It is sad that it took so long. Many people have been hurt. But if things continue to change for the better. Those same people will see that sometimes when we pull together we can make significant changes.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
Perspective means a lot, Ms. Lilly. The more the hatebloggers write about me, the more I realize I am getting to the truth. They have actually inspired me to keep going. They cannot be the only voice in Wareham.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Not here. Don't get me wrong I would love to tell you and everyone. But not here, not yet.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I understand completely, Telsa.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
One final off-topic question. What do you all think about the death of Michael Jackson? I am conflicted. A part of me feels sorry for him but another part of me feels his admission to sharing his bed with children to be more than a little, well, icky.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I knew you would. Thank you.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
I love the book smart argument...I have a very, very intelligent "book smart" sister...not an ounce of freakin commonsense...while in college, you can become temporarily "book smart"...couldn't wait to graduate to get some of my commonsense back...thank goodness I think most of it returned! It's because they make things so complex...don't get the simple stuff...I had never heard that "ivy league" joke before, but that's exactly it...

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I feel bad, 50 is so young to die. Especially leaving his children. But his life was always crazy. It's just sad. I know he was cleared of those charges. But we may never know the real truth. I do feel that he never really grew up.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, now they will have a weeks worth of blogging to talk about us talking about them. :) Makes me smile. Their going to make you famous.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
I think the whole Michael Jackson thing is very sad. He was a very talented individual with a multitude of personal problems. Who knows what really happened with those young boys, but it's very suspicious. It is sad that a physician will prescribe and possibly inject way too many meds and may have contributed to his death.

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
The thing about Michael Jackson is that none of us will ever truly understand what it's like to be THAT famous. I think it really destroyed him inside. He tried to hide from his real life by withdrawing into a childhood world. It's sad.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
My sibling is brilliant book wise. But Mama always said I was the one with the common sense. Recently someone told me there is nothing common about commonsense. ;)

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
It seems as if he never really had a childhood, being in the spotlight with the Jackson Five and from what I've read, having an abusive father. So maybe he was trying to relive his childhood in the only way he knew.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
I hope everyone has a wonderful week. Ms Lilly you take care. I may need some speeches prepared. :0 ;)

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I remember how mesmerizing he was for a few years. The "moon-walk" and the Thriller video showed his genious. Perhaps its was inevitable. Anyone who shines that bright can't shine for as long.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
Rob, so true so true. I would never want to be that famous. Who could you ever trust? It would make a sane person insane.

By: MsLilly on 6/28/09
I have great sympathy for MJ and am very saddened by his death...I believe he was a very damaged person who needed a lot of help he never received and therefore was very misunderstood...I believe he was nothing more than the child he was never allowed to be trapped within a man's body...I don't believe that there was ever an adult in bed with those children...

By: robertslager on 6/28/09
I think we're going to wrap this up for tonight. Thank you so much. We had 114 comments, nearly 40 more than last week. I hope this keeps growing. I really enjoy being a part of these discussions. Thank you for participating. You folks make me beleive there is hope for Wareham. You inspire me to keep fighting the good fight.

By: WarehamWoman on 6/28/09
Rob, we so appreciate you keeping fighting the good fight. We need people like you and our town selectmen to keep open forums so the people of Wareham can speak openly. Many thanks.

By: Telsa on 6/28/09
MsLilly, I think you are correct. I feel the same way about MJ. May he rest in peace.
Good night Rob, Keep up the good work. God Bless.

By: gramyk on 6/28/09
i'm entirely sick of hearing about michael jackson. most of my political tv stations were obsessed with his death. i HATE the glee they show when this, and the SC governor disgrace happen. it is disgusting. can't they just report the news? do they have to glorify crap?




By: gramyk on 6/28/09
i am, however, EAGER to hear or read what the computer files show!

By: angel-joe on 6/29/09
Late post - a comment on the other website's cartoon satirizing one of the selectmen, "Do you know who I am?" he he

Guess they are just book smart.

By: Telsa on 6/29/09
gramyk, :) lol They have so much competition on so many channels they have to try to out do each other. I know it does get overwhelming.
We are all looking forward to the results from the computer audit.
Maybe I will see you next sunday in live chat.