#1 2009-06-13 12:17:50
SO SLAGER IF YOUR SO CONFIDENT IN YOUR "SOURCE" HAVE THEM GO TO THE DA'S OFFICE AND SIGN A SWORN UNDER OATH AFFADAVIT OF WHAT HE/SHE HEARD. EVEN BETTER THE BOS TOOK MEETING MINUTES HAVE THOSE PRESENTED TO BACK UP WHAT YOUR SOURCE HEARD. YOUR IRRELAVENT YOU HAVE 7 PEOPLE ON YOUR WEBSITE AND IM SURE YOU GAVE ACCESS TO THOSE WHO ALREADY SUBSRIBE TO YOUR PAPER. AND YOUR PAPERS JUST SIT THERE NOT SELLING. YOUR ONLY CATERING TO A SELECT FEW AND IM SURE YOUR ADVERTISERS KNOW THIS.
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#2 2009-06-13 13:11:26
Regardless of how many readers he has, do you think honorable business will want to be assoicated with the rag?
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#3 2009-06-13 13:16:52
"Edited tape." That's hilarious. What, did the Power Elite hire someone from Saturday Night Live to do a Cronan impression and have him call town employees rats?
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#4 2009-06-13 13:19:17
By the way, is anyone else troubled that on the audio clip, they're caught talking about what to put in the minutes? Aren't you just supposed to write down whatever happens in the meeting - not talk about what to put down?
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#5 2009-06-13 13:30:48
Ragman, your new site is adorable. "Always free...no wait, please pay me, no wait, ok buy one for 75 cents at some places, or pick it up for free at other places, no no wait now you have to pay me 5 bucks a month to look at my website."
The great rabble rouser reduced to moderating a private online clubhouse for Bruce groupies.
Oh how the mighty have fallen...and fallen hard. How long before he just sits in stairwells with a tin cup and offers to give his opinion to people for their pocket change?
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#6 2009-06-13 13:56:19
Ham, that was funny!
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#7 2009-06-13 14:15:29
What happened? Did ragboy claim the tape was edited? Where did you see that? Does he say what/how it was edited? I listened a couple of times, and it seems like real time conversation to me. I can't imagine how it could have been edited. Caught with your pants down is caught with your pants down. Face it BOS. No spin can save this debacle. Not even from your little ragboy-toy.
I just love reading "fiction and baseless speculation." Pass his article along here if you can.
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#8 2009-06-13 14:17:43
What, you got something to say, Ragboy? Oh, sorry, guess we won't hear it because we flushed our 5 bucks down the toilet instead and still got a more intelligent response. Tell it to the Bruce groupies that were kind enough to give up a case of Pabst Blue ribbon to read you for a month.
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#9 2009-06-13 14:21:48
Molly, in the paper rag, he says the tape is edited and taken out of context - I don't know in what context "those are the two biggest rats that work for the town and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them and my back and neck are out so I can't throw them anywhere" is an ok thing to say.
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#10 2009-06-13 14:33:26
Ham, here's something else where "out of context" has no meaning--"did they blog or not blog." And how about this--"it's a hundred dollars per computer and then it's two hundred dollars to have them do the internet search." Or how about--"I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw 'em." (meaning Gifford and Simmons--the Cronan-proclaimed "biggest rats")
These declarations need no "context" to be understood. If they had any integrity or "moral fiber" (you know, from Slager's description of his idols, the bos) they would admit they were caught with a live mike and take responsibility. The only fiber these people have end up in the toilet each day (assuming they are not afflicted with constipation too) only to be flushed to the great selectmen sewer. BOS = Sewer Rats---of course, that's just my opinion.
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#11 2009-06-13 14:41:23
Hey, if they can produce a longer tape that proves Cronan actually said something like, " 'Those two are the two biggest rats that work for the town and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them, and I can't throw them anywhere because my back is out and my neck is out....is what I'd say if I were a mean person, but really I love those guys and want to give them a big hug because I think they do a fantastic job'" then I'll eat crow. That's about the only context where that'd be ok.
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#12 2009-06-13 14:48:22
It's funny, coincidentally, I just rented Frost vs. Nixon, and there's a scene where Frost quotes Nixon (you know the guy Unger compares Bruce to) from a transcript where he is talking about paying off people with large sums of cash, and Nixon's defense was "I was taken out of context." There are some things you say and it doesn't matter if they out of context or not:
"Out of context" seems to be the standard excuse when caught on tape saying something naughty.
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#13 2009-06-13 16:01:28
Just to point out, I re-read the paper Rag's article, and the Ragman (with help from an "anonymous source" of course) writes:
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"According to a source who said he listened to both the live broadcast and the edited version, the versions share some similarities but differ in several ways.
'I heard both versions, and I'll tell you straight up, they were different,' the source said. 'The new one is just pieces of what I heard the first time when it was live. Some of it wasn't in the right order. It sounded amateurish to me. If Whitehouse has a copy of the original, he should play the entire tape on his web site. It's easier to understand than this new one.'
Whitehouse did not returneD e-mails sent by the Observer. (Probably because he doesn't waste his time with a retardeD)
We will update this story as more information becomes available. (How, are you going to pick up the paper rags and write more under the article with a pen? Ass.)"
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So there you have it. Ragman did not actually say the words "out of context" but he is using the "out of context" defense. This "anonymous source" says the words are taken out of order - so the suggestion to the reader is if you listened to the tape in a different order, then what was said about town employees being rats and all the talk of sure let's spend tons of money to look for bloggers would sound perfectly reasonable.
In what way - or arrangement or "context" could "those guys are rats I don't trust farther than I can throw" ok? (Not that I buy for a minute that someone edited the tape to begin with).
The out of context defense - used by Nixon above, used by most people when caught on tape saying something naughty.
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#14 2009-06-13 16:55:59
"We will update this story as more information becomes available. (How, are you going to pick up the paper rags and write more under the article with a pen? Ass.)"
OMG, ROTFLMAO, can you see the secret squirrel racing about town to update all his rags? I am laughing so hard I am starting to cry!
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#15 2009-06-13 19:02:15
Mr Slager is a desperate man. When I last read his paper he was running some sort of deal where he would give 10.00 to the town for the library.
He took a big chance and failed he signed up according to him 100 people.Maybe that was taken out of context he signed up 7 and kicked in the rest of the money out of the paper's account.Then shortly after that his partner quit.
Wonder what the real story is...maybe the BOS gave him the $$$
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#16 2009-06-13 19:24:19
He could have used the money to pay his state filing fees that he has yet to do
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#17 2009-06-13 21:02:45
Interesting if you look at The Observer site there is a story where his pal Bruce reveals that he asked fellow BOS members during an Executive Session meeting if they would accept his resignation.
So Slager is OK with printing Exec Meeting info as long as it comes from his owners.
Last week he said his paper would never print or reveal any Exec meeting contents claiming legal and ethical rules of engagement.
He knows he can't compete with the S-T reporter,he knows he is really is out of his league and out classed. Maybe he should be reading his own previous editions before publishing new editions.
Until he gets his own story straight how can he continue to publish the weekly rag?
Simple answer is he can't he will be closing the Wareham edition soon.
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#18 2009-06-13 21:21:25
Good catch Searay. The ST, when reporting it said Bruce wouldn't say where/when the offer of a resignation occurred when asked. It didn't occur in open session. So, it had to have been in exec. Unless the board was talking about town business in neither open meeting or exec. session. That would be a violation of open meeting law.
But did you have any doubt that Slager was a hypocrite? In the past, information was leaked to him from executive session. He never had any problem printing it before either.
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#19 2009-06-13 21:36:21
I saw that too Searay and I didn't pick up on that either. Not only does that make Mr. Slager a liar but would that not now put Mr. Savengeau in an akward position as well. After all that would mean that he leaked confidential executive session information to a reporter prior to the matter being closed and prior to the Minutes from that executive session being approved. I think that in and of itself would be a major violation of Executive Session privilage. I smell another complaint to the AG coming.
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#20 2009-06-13 21:42:52
The walls are tumbling down all around them and their sneaky business...well boobie, you enjoyed a few good years....bye..bye...
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#21 2009-06-13 21:44:51
One of you should go tyhe the site and do a screen print or copy and paste the screen,
I am on Blackberry not at my PC.
If he's monitoring this site he may be tempted to take it off, now that he has been caught. Also we could email the screem shot to DA and AG and let Bruce explain to them why he is leaking info from exec to a publisher of the rag.
Bruce will deny it and it will be fun to watch them two go at it.
His on-line folks will go down to 6
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#22 2009-06-13 22:40:48
Bruce Sauvageau, chairman of the Board of Selectmen, offered his resignation to other members of the board Tuesday night following a week of heavy criticism by the Standard-Times.
His offer was rejected.
Sauvageau told the Observer he asked other board members during executive session if recent articles about him in other newspapers were starting to hurt the public perception of the board.
"I formally offered my resignation because I would never want to do anything that was impeding the board’s ability to carry out its vision," Sauvageau said. "I am very proud, grateful and relieved that they chose to stand by me."
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#23 2009-06-13 22:48:49
It's front page in the paper rag.
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#24 2009-06-13 23:05:52
Oh there is going to be a little chat room going on tomorrow night, moderated by guess who RAG MAN. Why do I suspect that there will be 7 on-line members, 5 BOS, 1 moderator and 1 clerk? The potential violations are amazing. Good night all.
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