#1 2010-05-11 21:04:34

CARA ASKED MR ANDREWS WHY HE HIRED A BUILDING INSPECTOR AT 25K MORE THAN THE ADVERDISED SALERY, SHE DID A GOOD JOB BUT ANDREWS GAVE GENERAL ANSWERS AND REALY DID NOT ANSWER HER QUESTIONS AS HE HAS  DONE AT TOWN MEETING , HE WAS CONDESENDING TO HER AS WERE BRENDA AND JANE , THE SLALERY WAS ADVERTISED MR ANDREWS AT 52K AND YET TOU HIRED A CRONEY OF YOURS WITHOUT A LICENSE  AT 25K MORE THAN ADVERTISED , WE COULD HAVE HAD BETTER APPLICANTS IF YOU ADVERTISED THE JOB  FOR 75K BUT MR ANDREWS  YHE FIX WAS IN FOR YOUR CRONEY  FROM LAWRENCE AND I KNOW THERE  WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD THE LICENCES  TO DO THE JOB,  MR ANDREWS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERING THE QUECTIONS ASKED OF YOU ALL WEEK AT TOWN MEETING , AND I AM SURE YOUR ANSWERS TO CARA WERE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT , AND THE GANGING UP OF HER BY JANE AND BRENDA WAS PROBERL GALLING , BUT SHE MADE HER POINT  .  THE POINT I GET FROM JANE , BRENDA AND ANDREWS ALL WEEK THAT IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE.

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#2 2010-05-11 22:32:07

She knows they are being condescending to her. You can tell because she just keeps smiling. I think Jane and Brenda may want to tone it down a little though, the woman was just elected overwhelmingly, when you behave the way you do you aren't just insulting her you are insulting the voters of Wareham.

Silly me, I forgot, they don't like voters! That must be plan B of the CRC, eliminate voting, after all those voters just don't know what they are doing half the time!

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#3 2010-05-12 08:14:06

I would like to know who was on the committee that interviewed him. If the person who is being interviewed doesn’t ask for more money, why the heck would the committee decide to give him an extra 20 or 25 K, it doesn’t make sense.

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#4 2010-05-12 09:37:18

I have heard it was the Town Manager and Part Time Police Chief I'm not sure how it can be confirmed.

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#5 2010-05-12 10:34:11

marny wrote:

I would like to know who was on the committee that interviewed him. If the person who is being interviewed doesn’t ask for more money, why the heck would the committee decide to give him an extra 20 or 25 K, it doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, I found his "answer" to Cara's inquiries "unfulfilling"..and Jane and Brenda acted exactly as I would expect them to. Andrews keeps telling "us" that he can do whatever he wants...and he often states that it's legal..(so the "public" can just mind their own business)..Gotta tell ya..in case you didn't gather already..I think he should be canned..and take your pal from Lawrence with ya.

..Burke was hired on April 6th/Election Day..or that's the BoS Mtg. they announced it..here's a link to that agenda/video etc..In fact when I re-look at that agenda..there's NO mention of it..what a surprise..need any more "clues"?? ..the "fix was in".

https://warehamwater.cruelery.com/viewt … 447#p67447

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#6 2010-05-12 11:17:33

Stay tuned - I don't think this is going to end quietly with what happened last night.

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#7 2010-05-12 11:54:06

iI AGREE WITH P SPAN BYE BYE ANDREWS AND YOUR BUDDEY FROM LAWRENCE.   AND WHY YOUR AT IT TAKE THE BIZ WITH YOU.

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#8 2010-05-12 12:17:58

I believe that when you advertise a position you pay the adverised rate. This was clearly an inside job, advertise low and hire high. I am not sure that Cara knows about Burke's connection to Andrew's.

She needs to keep on this. We are now going to have a PART TIME licensed inspector so we could pad the pocket of a political crony.

Here is how the TFHC feels (and note the rags story has quotes around controversial, only a scandal when it suits his purpose, all the papers should be all over this story)
By: MsLilly on 5/12/10
"Wow, a hiring committee, combined duties to save tax dollars, a "part-time" Jr. inspector saving us even more more money...one of Ms. Winslow's campaign mantras was "stretching our tax dollars"...I'd say Mr. Andrews did an exceptional job doing just that with this one hire...

A word of advice...puppet strings can easily turn into a noose if they are pulled with such force that they end up around one's neck... "

I do believe that padding political lackey pockets is a waste of tax payer dollars, and yes, your strings are very obvious. I am a firm believer that if you give someone enough rope they will hang themselves (this is a figure of speech in case any of the hate bloggers want to get up their paranoia) and that is exactly what is happening. How are we saving money or delivering services when we hire an unqualified person for 50% more then what we advertised for?

This hiring was slipped it in the eleventh hour the night of the election.

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#9 2010-05-12 12:36:19

iliveinazoo wrote:

By: MsLilly on 5/12/10

"..A word of advice...puppet strings can easily turn into a noose if they are pulled with such force that they end up around one's neck... "

Still haven't looked at the election results, Ms Lilly? Hmmm? How 'bout Town Meeting??

No? Too bad..

Next April ain't too far off for you to start worrying about "the other two"..But wait..Lot's of fun left yet before that..oooh, I can't wait. Say "Hello" to Bobo for me..will ya?

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#10 2010-05-12 13:11:31

iliveinazoo wrote:

She needs to keep on this. We are now going to have a PART TIME licensed inspector so we could pad the pocket of a political crony.

To be fair, the Inspectional Services Dept. for quite some time has had both a full-time department head certified as a Building Commissioner/Inspector of Buildings, and also a part-time Local Building Inspector (the lesser of the two state certifications).  I was recently informed that Mr. Collins intends to step down in a couple of months, and so the second hiring is to replace him, not necessarily to compensate for Mr. Burke not being certified.

But again, my concern with Mr. Burke's hiring is two-fold: a) why was he hired at $25K more than the position was advertised to pay - especially when he isn't certified, and b) how did he manage to serve in the same position in Lawrence for three years without being certified?  The regs do provide for uncertified inspectors to apply for extensions to the rule that anyone provisionally hired must be certified within 18 months of hire, but such extensions are granted by the state only for "good cause," I believe.  And at the very least, he should only have been paid the advertised amount until he earned the required state certification - his compensation should have been as conditional as his hiring was.  Then I'd bet he'd have gotten certified a helluva lot faster than within 18 months!

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#11 2010-05-12 13:15:49

BoS/TA on Burke Hiring 5/11/10


To watch the rest of the meeting, go to:
5/11/10



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#12 2010-05-12 13:45:35

Jaime Rebhan wrote:

Selectman Cara Winslow expressed concern Tuesday that new Director of Inspectional Services Myles Burke was hired at a salary 50% higher than the advertised pay rate and, at $75,000, well above the salary level specified in the town's personnel plan...

WW: Inspectional Services director's salary questioned



..and read the comments.

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#13 2010-05-12 14:02:18

What a smoke screen, was there a getaway car also running outside the meeting?  I have to believe that the town manager has every intention of overstepping his limits as long as Jane and Brenda are around.  If the candidate had an extensive background with all the licenses I could understand an reasonable pay increase above the posted starting pay but this is not the case!  He was the inspector for the Lawrence Mayor for maybe a few years, if that and in that time never got his licenses.    We dont need another political plant in our town,  I would have to say with the background that he does have the town manager is lining him up to push Sanguinet out.

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#14 2010-05-12 14:08:19

Thank you, P-Span.  I headr a lot of vague remarks from Mr. Andrews about how he's expanding the job responsibilities, but nothing he says substantively creates more duties for the position than already exist under statute, and really it just comes off as a slap at the prior Director.

And as noted above, Mr. Andrews in a roundabout fashion - and through Ms. Eckstrom and Ms. Donahue's comments also - seems intent on protecting his turf by reciting how he can do things.  The issue here isn't just whether he CAN hire people in this manner, it's whether he SHOULD.  And part of HIS job description is to exercise good judgment, which I am not convinced he did here.

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#15 2010-05-12 15:13:38

Does Mr. Andrews know how to answer a question?  He sounds like he has taken a creative writing course and trying to use what he learned when he speaks.    He NEVER answers a question.

If Burke was hired at the salary advertised and was certified to do the job I would have no problem.  If down the road  he was needed to be in charge of something else, add a bit more to his pay.  No problem.

I think he should not have the job and he should be let go.  He does not have the licenses to perform the duties of Building Inspector.  That should have made him uneligible and out of the running for this position.  No further discussion.  Move on to the next candidate.

I am not entirely comfortable with the P.T. Chief being on the hiring committee.  I would rather see a Fire Chief on the committee to hire.  The fire dept. goes into these homes sometimes before and after a fire.  They are more in tune to structures than a police chief.  M/O

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#16 2010-05-12 15:27:10

Beach Plum wrote:

I am not entirely comfortable with the P.T. Chief being on the hiring committee.  I would rather see a Fire Chief on the committee to hire.  The fire dept. goes into these homes sometimes before and after a fire.  They are more in tune to structures than a police chief.  M/O

Good point.  Civil service promotional examination for fire dept. officers require knowledge of building codes, and even though I don't think either department in town uses civil service to promote, by the nature of their jobs they need to know more about buildings than a police chief would, as you note.

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#17 2010-05-12 15:31:42

Beach Plum wrote:

I am not entirely comfortable with the P.T. Chief being on the hiring committee.

Not entirely comfortable? I'm not comfortable with it at all...and Cronie and Andrews on the "committee" as well!! Ah, geez.

North Andover and Lawrence are right next to each other. For all we know they've known each other for years. They have more in common with each other than with anyone in Wareham.

I'll add these maps to show the "proximity" of each town/city (whatever) *note how far Stanley's commute is (on our dime)..I wonder how his "negotiations" are progressing..

Lawrence
http://www.bostonaccidentinjurylawyer.com/Lawrence%20Map.png



North Andover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/North_Andover_ma_highlight.png



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#18 2010-05-12 16:48:07

P-SPAN wrote:

Jaime Rebhan wrote:

Selectman Cara Winslow expressed concern Tuesday that new Director of Inspectional Services Myles Burke was hired at a salary 50% higher than the advertised pay rate and, at $75,000, well above the salary level specified in the town's personnel plan...

WW: Inspectional Services director's salary questioned



..and read the comments.

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Sound of crickets chirping over there following my response to Mr. Slager...

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#19 2010-05-13 00:16:19

Meat...you're talking too much sense for Bobo over on Wareham Week..I don't think he's used to that...or...it just doesn't "jive" with his agenda..probably a combination of the two..

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#20 2010-05-13 07:10:04

I thought Bobo was all for asking questions, free speech, the public's right to know and so on.  Oh wait, not when it's his side.  Then he becomes a good little lackey.

An individual was hired for $20,000 more than the advertised rate.  Winslow asked for an explanation as to why.  That's a legitimate question to ask, but of course, Bobo throws a hissy fit. 

Bobo, once in awhile you should pretend to be a reporter, you know, to keep up appearances.  Remember, reporters are supposed to be FOR people asking questions.

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