Thanks, Larry.

By: mickjones on 11/29/09
The Plymouth County DA seems to be associated with conservative politics and is very likely associated with the "out-of-power" crowd here. His bio shows a long career made possible by Republican administrations and the police.

By: mickjones on 12/13/09
If you go to the hate site they have videos of the meeting...

: )

By: mickjones on 12/13/09
Rob, I am not ignoring you. My motivation for volunteering has been brought into question by the hate bloggers. I am reluctant to say much of anything because it will get distorted. I wanted to do something to get the town headed in a positive direction and it was clear to me that Town Meeting and a non-elected town manager are a problem. I had ideas about how to change the charter.

By: mickjones on 12/20/09
I want to respond to Larry McDonalds continued claim about the CRC not responding to his inquiries. We have responded to them all. He just has a really hard time accepting it. This is not an official response of the CRC, just my own comment.

By: mickjones on 12/20/09
Is Francis planning to run for office? That would make the "carpet bag" make sense. Actually, it would make sense anyway.

By: mickjones on 12/20/09
Where did he come from and why is he here? What does he do?

By: robertslager on 1/10/10
You know how the bagel thing started? In a column well over a year ago I mentioned taking my daughters to Dunkin' Donuts. I noted that because I'm diabetic I ordered a bagel instead of a donut. Apparently the family thought that was something to ridicule so they've acted like second graders ever since. Personally, I think it's funny. It shows how absurd they really are.

By: mickjones on 1/10/10
That is a little too logical Rob. When I first hear it I assumed they were making a Jewish reference. That would be more consistent with the racist slurs coming from them.

By: mickjones on 1/10/10
Maybe I read more into it than was intended. I hope so, but it doesn't make them any less dangerous.

By: mike9f on 1/10/10
Mick, you are not alone, I had the same impression.

P-SPAN
TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

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Interesting comment by Moderator John Donahue. Is he trying to justify "playing the race card" here??

By: John_Donahue on 11/29/09
The hatebloggers 1.) play the race card, then, 2.) blame their opponents for playing the race card, and, then, 3.) act self-righteously indignant that their opponent would do such a thing as play the race card.

"Tin Foil Hatchatters on Parade"

P-SPAN
TAKEBACKWAREHAM
April 6, 2010

Congratulations Larry and Liz.
You must scare the crap out of these people.
Isn't that GREAT?

By: CoachTP on 8/1/09
Just read steve holmes in the sub-standard times opinions. Talk about stupid. Steve you are a moron if you cannot understand the Observer story. The same hate bloggers are so far up your butt that you need to open your mouth so they can gulp air. Hypothetical: based on a hypothesis, you know, maybe you don't, something considered to be true for the purpose of investigation or argument. Don't call a pig in a poke when sponge bob said only those who think like me could come to a community meeting. The only race-baiting going on here is from you mental midgets. If=2 0anyone owes Wareham an apolpgy is is sponge bob and his minions who act like folls an talk like you Steve>
By: John_Donahue on 8/2/09
Wow, 109 people online this morning. Was that just a computer glitch, or is Steve Urbon an the Brady Bunch helping to increase your subscription rate?

By: robertslager on 12/20/09
Mick, the rumor is his wife will be running for town clerk, which would be quite a step up in pay from an assistant nurse's position.
By: downtheroad on 12/20/09
Better late than never - having internet problems tonight, verrryyy slow. I want to know what's in the giant briefcase on Francis the Mule's back. Is it perhaps the missing library ledger??

By: robertslager on 12/6/09
Thanks, Lynne. Sales are way up. We are selling more newspapers now than ever before, which is remarkable considering half the population of Wareham and Onset leaves for the winter.

AND YET MADE NO ATTEMPT TO PAY YOUR LANDLORD?

I am totally disgusted with what I just read.  I know we have the tin hat comments and the bagel, can't pay your rent and can't pay your printer comments, but their comments are nasty.  Slager has brought his nick- names on by himself.  The diabetes, the 123 people who donated checks to the library and were returned part of their $, etc.--such rubbish.  He is not mentally sound, but everyone already knows that.

Bruce has cost the town sooooo much $ just with the Swifts Beach episode.  Why wouldn't we be angry with him for that?  He has shown on video that he is rude.  I don't want to waste my time listing the other reasons the people of Wareham are sick of him.  He too has earned his nick-names.

Brenda has had problems with alcohol.  Cronin has a past that involves breaking the law.  Jane, well - Jane is very intelligent at her daily place of employment, but Jane has no and I repeat, no common sense.  She has no basis for helping the town.  She lives in an ivory tower and doesn't associate with the normal, everyday, down on their luck people in Wareham.  Mr. Cruz, who I voted for, has been a big dissappointment for me.  I know he is smart.  He is just swallowed up by this board and needs to speak up loud and strong for the little people in town that voted him in.  We were definately mislead.  Why are you being a coward now, Mr. Cruz.  You owe those people sitting with you on that board absolutely nothing!  Speak up against them.  Let the sparks fly.  You would have done it when you were younger.  Age makes you better!

Move Wareham Forward.  Yes that's what we want to do.  Take Back Wareham.  Yes that's what we want to do.  So from the outside we all want what is best for Wareham.  How did two groups who say they both want for the good of Wareham and it's citizens get to this point?  No, I'm not stupid and I know that there is an agenda.  Robert Slager has been the instigator.  He is a fool and yet we listen to what he says.  We do that because as decent people we can't believe what he comes up with.  His brain is wired to a sci-fi network and we need to end our association with him. 

Larry and Liz and many others have worked so hard searching for the truth.  Looking under rocks is dirty work but they have done it and not complained to this site once about getting their fingers dirty. They have uncovered more than I even thought was out there and yet they are spoken about badly by the animals on Slagers site.  It is apparent that they do not do this for accolades, but for the love of Wareham.

The person that uses coach as part of his name is leaning on his past.  Let the kids you coached call you that in your hometown.  And, furthermore, why is he so interested in Wareham Politics?  What is in it for him?  Bad mouthing Mr. Wheeler?  You overstepped your bounds.

Mr. and Mrs. Slaven.  I do not know Allen, but I do know Sandra (Foss).  Her mother was a super nurse at Tobey Hospital.  Sandra was extremely book smart.  That's it.  She didn't fit in.  As she is probably retired now or in two years, she is probably trying to find her space.  I believe Coach said we are crying because we aren't on any committees.  When we have submitted our names, we are ignored.  Why is there a limit on members.  The Charter Review Committee could have had twenty people working on it, but no, we only get people who the BOS feel will reach for a mayoral government.   

Nobody listens to Betty  Roderick.  Over the years she has blown too much hot air to the local newspaper editors to be taken seriously

What I have just stated is not nasty.  It is truth.  I am looking forward to the day that the candidates emerge.  I do not look forward to the ugliness that may come with this election, though.  I just want my Wareham back.

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This is a thread that makes me proud. Our fine people that in public talk about open and responsible dialogue show their true colors when they think no one is watching. Folks, this is exactly what we have for Selectmen. They pay lip service to fiscal responsibility, accountability, and professional conduct, but they show their true colors by their actions. If you want to know what is wrong with this town, take a look at the leadership and the people that support them (Tin Foil Hat club and their mouthpiece Bobo). We need to get this information out to all the citizens and show their true face.

If you add all the REAL problems in this town, you certainly know why we need change.

Liz and Larry, I can't say enough about how hard you work for our town.  I don't care how long someone has lived in a town.  Larry, you are fairly new, but you know more about what is going on in town hall, than half of the people who's blogging disgusted me tonight.  I don't care where you came from, but your heart is now planted in Wareham.  Welcome and please continue to expose the corruption and make these "leaders" held accountable. We are backing you and we want you to be a resident here forever.       Liz comes from a long line of honest, hard working and well respected people.  You deserve, as I do, to live our lives in the Wareham that they built for us, to raise our children in, to be active in and to protect our town from the type of leadership we have now. 

Call me naive if you want, but I can see no good coming out of the name calling that I read on this site today.  People who supposedly claim to want the same thing I do, acting like a bunch of 3rd graders.  How adult of them all.   I have said this many times before and I will say it again.  I was born in Wareham, went to school here, raised my children here and I had the best times of my life in Wareham.  Our selectmen and school committee cared about us, the future Wareham voters.  Our mutual respect was expected.  Never, ever, would our town moderator say things in a public venue that  would embarrass this town.  Mr. Donahue has accomplished just that.  I want my Wareham back.

Anyone who teaches must have seen the student who writes Pulitzer Prize out phonetically. I've seen it on more than one occasion.

Pullet Surprise!!   

P-Span--a photo or clip of a chicken please???!!!

I started this thread for one reason: So the people that bought into the MWF and read how they want what is best for Wareham could read what they REALLY say and think. I have to thank MsLilly for the idea.

By: MsLilly on 12/20/09
Won't it be fun asking them questions during a candidate's night? I already have a volunteer to hand a list of them out at the door...even have quotes and conversations verbatim...

So, now we have more than enough (some you haven't seen yet Mikey and Ellen) to make sure people are aware of exactly what MWF is truly all about.

it's time to stop the nonsense. I have had enough of the BS and twisted political spin. It's actually pretty simple. The elected officials of this town need to be voted out and replaced by citizens who have the skills necessary to serve the people.

I talked to many people over the last week to know that Bobo's paper is a joke. Now we can show how MWF is tied to the "biggest joke in Wareham" so careful what you wish for TFHC, the truth will come out and has already started!

Looney Tunes!! Perfect P-Span. Thanks!!

Robert Slager is showing his insecurities about this new weekly competing with his 'upstart tabloid'.

By: robertslager on 1/17/10
I'n not adverse to in-house council. But I've learned that Bicki is very selective with facts when she posts on the web site. Did you folks know she's actually a moderator on the hate site, as are Cara Winslow and Dan O'Connell?
By: WarehamWoman on 1/17/10
Dog - I think that particular Floridian is on a power trip, thinking he can effect & manipulate people from way down south. He seems to enjoy getting everybody all riled up by some of his comments.
By: Joe_leg on 1/17/10
Just saw it! Way past time for 'big boy pants' ;-)
OOooppppppssss, such hateful blogging on my part, my bad
By: downtheroad on 1/17/10
The picture is cute but I still like the talking mule
By: CoachTP on 1/17/10
Sorry DTR but according to Liz that isn't a mule, "Francis" is really a jackass. Don't want another lie, remember 100% accurate

Bobo wrote:

...but please be civil. We will not allow personal attacks or any of the nastiness and defamation found on other web sites. This is a great opportunity to discuss issues concerning Wareham with other residents in a mature and responsible manner!

IHS, I saw it..and decided to respond here. Hey, I put up plenty of pictures and videos, and I can take having a "picture of me" posted during the Rag's Tin Foil Hatchat.

He posted it right beside his own claims about his expected chat "behavior" (above)
I wouldn't expect anything less than for Bobo to say one thing and do the opposite. He obviously envies my "skills" ; )

What's that you say Ham? If you're pissing off an asshole, you're doing something right??

Slow day here, so I'm going to give you another wacky posting.

By: fogcutter on 1/17/10
=====================================
"Nora Bicki regarding he claim that K&P are milking (my word) Wareham:

It took almost two months a a slew of emails back and forth to change the language of the settlement agreement (that the BoS finally refused to sign) because K and P kept diddling with it. Fortunately for the Friends, our indemnity insurance paid our bills, and as you all know, the town paid a chunk of the trustees bills. So who got screwed on paying excessive legal fees to K and P??

Take a look in the mirror folks. It's you, the lowly taxpayers of Wareham. And don't think we miss the irony here. The Friends, Trustees, and Foundation members pay our taxes, which pay K and P. Double screwed by this BoS.
=====================================

I still can't believe that we (taxpayers) had to pay the legal fees of the Freinds of WFL.

Regardless of what folks think of the Library mess, regarding the claim that K&P has been milking Wareham for some time now, does Ms Bicki have a point here? "

HERE"S MY COMMENT: Clearly, the fog has not lifted for Mr. Fogcutter. There is no ambiguity in my statement. Since the Friends' own indemnity insurance paid our legal bills, how could the "taxpayers" pay the legal fees of the Friends?? And my POINT is also quite clear. Just as a reminder to you folks (since obviously the tin foil is causing a serious interference with reading/comprehending the English language so I don't imagine they'll get it this time either!):

The Trustees sued the BoS. The town's indemnity insurance automatically kicks in and after the deductible is paid (it used to be $10,000), those bills are paid by the insurance company. If the BoS/town had not then chosen to sue the Trustees, Friends, and Foundation for conversion of funds (which since we got to keep most of the money, clearly the court did not think it was "converted"), there would have been NO K and P bills for this litigation. It was at this point that YOU, the TAXPAYERS got to pay the K and P bills as they were the lawyers in charge of suing us. The Trustees' lawyer is being paid the $40,000 from the town's insurance company since it was determined that as an official town board, the trustees were covered by the town's insurance if it gets sued. And NO, I'm not going to explain here once again the difference between public and private. I wrote a whole thread on that. So the 40 thou. does NOT come from the taxpayers. And the taxpayers never paid the Friends legal bills. Period. Not foggy to anyone who can read English and has a brain not covered by tin foil.

And yes, that is a nasty comment. But then, this site never declared that it would not make nasty comments!! At least I'm not a hypocrite.

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Nora,
It's safe to say he is not a journalist or even a media writer. He is, at best, a blogger. Enough about him, he is a non resident, non voter, and nothing but nonsense.

And, just to toss in a little hint....he isn't the only fabricator on staff there :)

Larry McDonald wrote:

Nora,
It's safe to say he is not a journalist or even a media writer. He is, at best, a blogger. Enough about him, he is a non resident, non voter, and nothing but nonsense.

And, just to toss in a little hint....he isn't the only fabricator on staff there :)

would downtheroad be Andrea Smith??? would coachtp be Ted Porada(crime watch)hmmmm very grown up and mature.

Mixie, your rendition of that photo isn't far off.  Bobo is pushing 50 and his mommy still has to pay for everything for him. 

P-SPAN the MAN, yes, that is the Ham motto - if an asshole is mad at you, you must be doing something right, and you have apparently offended the King Asshole, so good for you.

I guess P-SPAN is moving up the charts on the Hypocrite Elite hit list.  Kind of odd when all he really does is post videos of selectmen's meetings.  Most people would consider that a public service and a valuable resource...of course, the selectmen's chief lackey, the tin hats, even the selectmen themselves hate the idea of people being able to view the stupidity that they unleash on the world every Tuesday night so, no wonder they have ole P-SPAN in their sites.

I think it's also kind of funny that he'd call anyone else a baby after the temper tantrum he unleashed on his landlord last week.

Maybe you can call mommy to help pay your rent, Baby Bobo?  I'm sure between you and your papa she's pretty used to taking care of useless men by now.

I belive someone needs a definition of a troll...at least one, anyway.

A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[12]

For example, in 2006 Tad Furtado, a top staffer for then-Congressman Charlie Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass's opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH." "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable.[13]

Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline.

For example, James Wolcott of Vanity Fair accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to Saul Alinsky's "Do-Nothings," giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothing's method and effects:

“ These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means.'[14] ”

In a more recent example, The Hill published an op-ed piece by Markos Moulitsas of the liberal blog Daily Kos titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'." Again, the concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient." [15]

By the way, for clarity, I discovered that I am a moderator. I don't know what a moderator does, or why I am one, but apparently I am.
Looking at the responsibilities and tools available to me as a moderator doesn't seem to be too powerful a position.
An administrator!! Now that's the gig!
All of the moderators put together don't have the power of one administrator.
But, thank you for making me a moderator. I hope I represent you well and true.

Here's my comment: As I said before, the hypocrisy is overwhelming.  I don't care if they bad mouth me. I put myself out there by printing the truth on this site. I have plenty of evidence to back up what I say. And I have been harsh to say the least about people who have, in my opinion, acted irresponsibly and unethically. But at least I admit it. To say you are taking the high road and then to post a photo of one of the bloggers on this site as a mule or a baby in diapers is hypocrisy to the ultimate degree. You won't find that kind of hypocrisy here. We are quite up front about our comments and photos. To post those photos next to a disclaimer saying you won't make personal attacks is pathetic. Do they think no one will get the hypocrisy? Apparently, tin foil blocks out the hypocrisy alerts!!!

To continue to write about a legal issue and to continue to speak badly of your opposing counsel DURING or BEFORE the case is just plain stupid. You will all note that I did not blog about the library litigation until AFTER the case was completely dismissed and our lawyers said we could speak publicly. Prior to that our lawyers (and any good lawyer) will tell his or her clients NOT to discuss the case pending or in litigation.  Anyone who makes public comments that can be used against them, is just plain dumb. Or, as the esteemed Ham would say, dumbass!!!

By: robertslager on 1/11/10
Joe, IHS is such a tool he doesn't have a clue how badly he hurts the people he wants in office. He doesn't get how he is the perfect example of the hatred people in this community are rallying against. He is responisble for putting his political opponents back in office over and over again. That's the beautiful irony in all this. He's his own worst enemy and he's too ignorant to understand that. That's why he is an endless source of amusement for so many people. He's the gift that just keeps on giving.
By: angel-joe on 1/12/10
Is IHS and Hammatron the same person? That person has a very hate filled, hateful heart. "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire?" Wow.
By: robertslager on 1/12/10
That's one of the nicer things this yahoo has written. I have repeatedly offered to meet with him to discuss his issues, but he can't find the spine to do it. He's like a little kid throwing a tantrum. He's a hateful, racist, homophobic product of his father and he has neither the strength nor the character to be anything more.

Okay, I got my laugh for the night! OMG, this is hilarious!

By: viking on 1/17/10
i have to respond to those who think their going to intimidate honest people.
hey larry and your gnome wonder.......listen up. you hurt me by copying my comment to your hate site.....i'm really hurt.
oh yea, there is a lot of hate on rob's site. all that vulgarity and disturbing imagery. oh thats right, this is NOT YOUR posting site of preference!
being from tennessee you should understand that people in any good town don't like carpetbaggers. sound familiar?
now maybe your just pining for the days of having sunday picnics in nashville under the statue of your great humanitarian nathan bedford forrest. or maybe you long for a nice evening outing with the boys around the bon fire, but this is not tennessee.
we are not that clannish up here. why do you think a revolution started here and not down there? you know our ancestors fought for the rights you and your friends can't wait to trample on.
unfortunately wareham does have some less than admirable people in this town. short miserable trolls who would rather watch nascar than actually strive for intellectual fulfillment.
and please, real intellectuals would do something more with their lives than be a past president of a group that puts books on a shelf. i think they have automatons and quicken books that are built to do those jobs.
you know.....T.E.C.H.N.O.L.O.G.Y. we have that up here larry. it's not magic. no sky demons spitting fire. it comes about through education. or in ihateliz's case.....school house rock, conjunction junction might have been beneficial (or at least use that T.E.C.H.N.O.L.O.G.Y. called spell check, help him out sonny).
all we can say is at least ihs remembers conjunction junction. (on a side not, the school house rock 30th anniversary collection is available on dvd from amazon for 12.99)
i don't like to troll in the mud, but this attempted intimidation is becoming tiring.

Is this person 13 years old or just out of their mind? Wow, I have finally laughed myself to tears. Please Viking, tell me all about technology, I am dying to hear all about it. Us backwoods folks aren't very bright. Whew...because I am so uneducated, it took me 3 hours to read his/her rant and another 45 minutes to type a response because I can't spell perty guud.

let me help you a little bit because you clearly like the term carpetbagger. It was originally a term that was used to describe northern salesmen who came with their "carpet bag" and because they were different, southerners were very wary of them. In current days, it is a term used for a person who runs for political office in a town they haven't been very long. Since I'm not running for any office, I guess you were trying to insult me. Hmm, well let me clue you in:
My wife is from Wareham and has family ties all the way back to the Mayflower. I guess that leaves me and since I bought a house here, my young daughter is in school here, and my son is in college here, I think I am going to stay. Oh, also because I have a job here. They like me and I like them, it's a match! I still own a home in Tennessee if you are looking to move. I will alert the neighbors so they can bathe and hide their moonshine stills. Maybe you can take that vast knowledge of TECHNOLOGY down there, god knows we need it!

What a hoot! I am going back to my 3rd grade reader, I need to catch up!

By: waterside on 1/15/10
downtheroad your funny i don't know what
francis looks like. he look's like a taking mule
By: downtheroad on 1/15/10
waterside - o.k. I guess he wasn't there when I dropped the papers off...I would have noticed a talking mule, especially one with so much baggage on his back
By: robertslager on 1/15/10
Somebody needs to explain to LizdaGnome the difference between a lie and a mistake. I honestly don't think she knows
By: angel-joe on 1/16/10
Francis posted -
By: angel-joe on 1/9/10
Len ?

I think Robert has LOTS of IP addresses, including each and every blogger on the hatesite .. They keep saying THEY don't want to compromise their identity... Little do they know...

Little do you know...:)

Wow, Robert He just gave you the BIGGEST gift of all... admitting he has people's IP addresses... Think he has a warrant? :)
By: robertslager on 1/16/10
Angel, Francis doesn't have a clue who most of the people on this web site are. His obsession with this site borders on the pychotic now. He just talking out of his arse again.

Don't waste your time Larry.
Mosquitoes...slap 'em' and squish 'em'.

By: robertslager on 1/16/10
From LizDaGnome:

from his new story..."Save for mistakenly typing Wareham High School as the location of Bob Brady’s community meeting instead of Wareham Middle School (I should know; I was there) the facts in the story were 100 percent correct."

wake up and welcome to planet earth if you type "middle" and it was "high" that is a LIE and not 100% correct

Ummmm, maybe she should enroll in English as a first language. "Save" in this context means "except." Also, a lie impies intent. A mistake is an accident. What would be the deceptive intent of typing Wareham High School instead of Wareham Middle School?
This is the intellect we're dealing with here. There is nothing more to say.

By: robertslager on 1/16/10
Wow. This is very interesting. Guess who is listed as a moderator on the hate site (not just a member but a moderator): Cara Winslow, Nora Bicki, Dan O'Connell, and somebody with the name Linda @ Makepiece. The PR director there is named Linda Burke. There are a whole slew of others under anonymous screen names: Hamatron, IHS, Ihateliz, Mixie, Molly, P-Span, etc. Very interesting. These people are not just posting on the site. They are taking an active role in the administration of it

Last edited by LIZdaGNOME (2010-01-19 22:58:43)

Sorry Dan, the Tin Foil Hat Club is so keen on speaking of hate references on this site but this was a personal attack by one of their posters that is clearly insulting on a civil level. My mother's family had issues with the KKK and it offends me that some arrogant chickenshit idiot has no idea what he is talking about and crossed the line. The attorney for the ACLU and I have chatted before, I have her card. I don't mine them showing their ignorance, but I think it's time this person has to stand out from behind his name and actually face what they said.

So far, we have a religious attack and now a heritage attack. Isn't that why they tried to bring the heat on Bob's meeting? I wonder if they realize it works both ways? I guess we will see!

I also find it intertesting all these post showing up here from a private pay web site.

And before you go there, I have not signed in an passed out the info.

Awhile back I do recall someone asking to share some of this stuff an Robert answered OK.I'm not sure ths is what he meant.