#1 2009-10-08 20:32:03

This is posted in the courier blog, just found it intresting...

"Bankers & Tradesman Dated 9-21-09. Page C25. Chapter 13 Bankruptcies. John Cronan 207 Charge Pond Road. He'll fix it."

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#2 2009-10-08 21:01:59

JOHN CRONAN BAKRUPT, BRENDA EXCREMENT DEFAULTS ON HER MORGATGE,BRUCE CAR REPOSED,OWES 181 THOUSAND IN TAXES, NEXT WE WILL HERE WAREHAM IS BANKRUPT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ELECTION IN APRIL FOR 4 NEW SELECTMAN AND IF WE DONT DUE IT WE WILL NEVER RECOVER IN DECADES.

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#3 2009-10-08 21:04:24

Holy Crap, how many bankrupt selectmen does that make now?  (Financially bankrupt, morally bankrupt was already a given.)

Cronie, sounds like you should have accepted a little more gratuitous dirt, maybe you could have held a gratuitous dirt sale.

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#4 2009-10-08 22:14:26

watch out everbody if you go out tomorrow and find a big hole in your yard tomorrow  , has  cronan struck again.      for the life   of me   i cant under stand  that any body in there  rite  mind actually voted  for these  crooks.

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#5 2009-10-08 22:24:36

BRENDA = BANKRUPT
CRONIN =  BANKRUPT
BRUCIE =  OWES 181K IN TAXES, CAR REPO
4 HAVE NO JOBS

AND DOES ANYONE EVER EVER WONDER WHY THIS TOWN IS IN THE MESS ITS IN? THEY CANT HOLD DOWN JOBS. THEY CANT EVEN RUN THEIR HOUSEHOLD FINANCES AND THEY WANT TO RUN THE TOWNS? LOOK WHAT IT GOT US

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#6 2009-10-09 08:32:11

I anxiously await the day that people like IHATESLAGER can reveal themselves for who they really are without concerns of repercussions.
Since I know who IHATESLAGER is, I am sure that everyone will be impressed when he finally reveals himself.
Then, he will be recognized as someone who has dedicated himself to the Town of Wareham and will be given the thanks he deserves.
Be patient, brother...it won't be long now.

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#7 2009-10-09 15:31:52

The fact of being in extreme financial distress  does not make you a bad person. There are tens of thousands of good people out there  who  have had to seek protection  under the law in order to stop the downward spiral and buy themselves  time  to  regain good financial health.


I guess my point in wrestling with it here is to suggest that unless we separate  these personal problems from our other reasons for wanting to put them out of office it could backfire....sort like hitting a person while he's down.


Maybe the way to look at it  is to think of it as a yellow warning flag as opposed to a red alarm flag.
To return to the health metaphor, these are people who have been as if  given a professional medical warning : "You have had some tough breaks that have led to your having a dangerously low immune system.  Stay away from places and situations that could make you terminally ill."

  Now if you stick with the health metaphor and  apply this warning message to our BOS  members who are ailing financially  , you find yourself thinking,"Why in hell  do people in poor financial health take on  non-paying job  that wlli not only further weaken them financially, but also expose them to very, very dangerous "germs"? !


If I lost you there,  what I'm saying is that these people are working day and night to  deliberately put themselves into a situation they are too weakened to handle safely.

I'm talking about Westfield.

I'm not saying that the people of my concern are crooked, and I'm not saying all developers are corrupt. I am saying that in addition to all of the other concerns we have about Westfield ,most of those who would be dealing with aggressive  developers vying against one another for  the job would have dangerously low "immune systems" for handling the temptations that an unscrupulous developer might offer.

This is why their  financial situations should be a concern to us :   Everything we know about human fallibility screams out  to us that we have some  weakened BOS members  who are extremely vulnerable to the possibilty  of corruption.  It's not because they are inherently bad,  but rather that because  of personal misfortune they have to in a sdesperate

Would any one of us not say"Good call, and  good luck," if a financially strapped BOS member announced that  he/she had to drop out to tend  to familly concerns?I don't think so.

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#8 2009-10-09 15:36:24

Whoops..I hit the submit button z=as I was correcting the tail end of the next to last paragraph...    " ....a  desperate state of mind"

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#9 2009-10-09 16:07:36

Dick said it very well...and remember...follow the money.

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#10 2009-10-09 16:35:40

Since Dick brought up Westfield (I hope your on the jury at my Judgement Day).

Did anyone else hear Dick Heaton say on Tuesday night, after explaining the new bids, that he recommended "60 days" to evaluate it? I don't know if it's a big deal, but the BoS certainly didn't voice support for his suggestion. Also, did I hear that payments were made concerning Westfield, and had been transferred, or something, to the TA's budget (about 24K)?

Discussion About Westfield/Article 2 with Mr. Heaton begins at (25:45) of Part 4.

PShooter
TAKEBACKWAREHAM

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#11 2009-10-09 16:57:24

PS, when I listened to the bids, all that seemed to be discussed was  general (I guess you could call it) family units and "x" amount of "affordable" units.  They will accept seniors "BUT" is this a first come first serve regardless of age when you are discussing "affordable" units and is their a diffrence in definition between that and concidering it "senior".   
I just think if you have a ,family that is at or below the required levels and they applied for an affordable unit then they are jumped for a senior when its not designated for strictly seniors they might run into a problem.  I may have missed that age requirements during the overview of each bid?  I dont mean to direct the question strictly to you, you just caught my curiosity.

Thank you

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#12 2009-10-09 17:49:30

pride, I'm not sure. We'll have to "check the tape". Maybe Dick Heaton could be emailed/called directly to answer a few questions. I don't see why not, we're paying his contract. Dropping this in our laps like this, and the overall process that's taken place concerning Westfield goes a little beyond "further study" Town Website: Westfield Bid 8/24/09

                                                             NOON2
 
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TAKEBACKWAREHAM

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#13 2009-10-09 17:57:12

Westfield is for recreational uses only!
Spin it all they want, that was the intent, that is the purpose. Unless they plan on renting rooms in a school, there is nothing to do with any type of housing!
Westfield is for recreation!

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#14 2009-10-09 18:30:57

I served on the last Master Plan Committee and Westfield was discussed a number of times.  Recreation was the only topic discussed in regards to this property.  Never did anyone suggest that it should be used for housing.  The challange was to ahve recreational use for all town residents, not just sports for children.

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#15 2009-10-09 20:29:29

Emma:  I hope you'll copy what you've posted here on a 3X5 card and  read it "live" when the opportunity arrives during the  October TM.  We must present ourselves as people who are FOR  affordable housing, but not at a site that was given to us for a specific purpose: recreation. We need to get parents of pre school- age kids fired up to respect the wisdom of those  before us who have considered the "big picture" over and over and have always arrived at the same conclusion: Westfield is for recreation and open space.

I'm all for my fellow geezers, but I get "all het up" when we are  used by people  who don't give the south end of a north bound rat for us except as people who can be duped into voting for them.


We need a town -wide poll of Wareham's grandparents:" Would you rather see Wareham emphasize quality of life for the young people  who follow us, or  turn Wareham into Saint Peter's Waiting Room?" Come on!....You KNOW what we'd say: "Let's do what's right for the kids!'

If the BOS truly cared about Seniors they'd fix up what we already have first...And when they plan housing for us .. How about asking us where we want to be in our final years...And the answer is not going to be: "Please, please, please...out  in the boonies ..near the Carver line.....Where I'll I'll only see other geezers."

The Westfield plan being jammed down our throats is  not only a violation of the trust of the donors and a denial of the continuous wisdom of those monitoring the property, it is a travesty.

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#16 2009-10-09 20:45:06

well it appears the problem is.
the pay scale sucks ,
to be a selectman.
guess they need to vote themselves a raise.
hahahahaha

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