#1 2009-10-08 07:09:12

I'm going to copy what Ham wrote on another thread, but since this is on TM warrant, I thought it needs a new thread.

"I don't understand this.  The selectmen say they are for affordable senior housing.  Bay Pointe wants to build affordable senior housing on their own land, not the town's land.  Why are the selectmen against this?  Why isn't Bobo, who claims to be for senior housing, not jeering the selectmen for this?  (Rhetorical question, we know he doesn't because they won't give him permission to.)"

I'm guilty of not paying too much attention to this article, but I watched the bos meeting and listened to the folks who represent BP.  I got the feeling that they were simply asking for the same thing the bos CLAIM they were asking at the last TM when we voted Westfield down--to see if it is feasible BEFORE spending money on expensive plans. It wouldn't give them the go ahead to build the thing.

The bos claimed the same thing only went way too far on Westfield by calling for RFPs etc. which is usually not done at this stage. And the bos HAVE spent about $50,000 of taxpayer dollars on Westfield whereas the BP people are willing to spend their own money here. Note: once we exposed the illegal use of the housing trust on this site, the remaining bills from Heaton will apparently be tacked on to the ITA's budget.

I'd like to hear what others say about BP project. If this project could be done, and Westfield preserved for the original taking's use--recreation, schools etc., then WHY WOULD THE BOS BE OPPOSED or did they further study or no action this article? I know their vote was not supportive.

Private developers, private property--doesn't that mean more taxes? While I think Westfield's houses themselves would get taxed, would the land if it is leased? The owners, the town, don't pay taxes on the land. Renters don't pay taxes on land or the houseing. Of course if they "convey" or give away Westfield for a sale price of $1 then I guess it would be taxed.

And did BP say they wanted to put a hotel there too? And don't the bos support the increase in hotel tax as revenue for the town? And wouldn't a nice hotel bring people who need to eat out, shop, etc. bringing more business to town?

How are the rest of you thinking of voting on the BP article as it stands? Seems to me like we should let the zoning part of it pass because the reps. said every step would have to be ok'd by the town and if this article passes it doesn't mean they can build. The longer we delay, the longer it will take to build and generate money.

Isn't this project part of what sweet B was preaching about the other night--bringing business to town? Economic development? 

And if the wording of Westfield's article has a loop hole--just "affordable housing" and not always SENIOR affordable housing, we could be in a big mess.  By the way, I'm sure K and P or other special counsel drafted the town's articles. Was the loop hole intentional? Or just another stupid mistake by K and P?  More tax $$$$$$$$$$ down the K and P drain.

But I don't mean to distract you all--this thread is to help each other decide about the Bay Pointe article. What do you think? I value your opinions.

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#2 2009-10-08 07:30:24

I am all for the Bay Pointe project going forward.  It's a good location for a hotel, and for housing also. Bruce seems to be opposing it because the BP architect opposed Westfield at an earlier Town Meeting. He said as much at the workshop when the project was discussed with the Planning Board and BOS. Now that's leadership! (sarcasm) That comment by him was mentioned in an earlier thread here and confirmed to me by someone at that meeting.  We need a hotel or two and we need the tax revenue. If the developers think it is a go, then we should encourage them.  If there is a reason why this isn't a good location, I am not aware of it.  A hotel has been on the drawing board there for a number of years.

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#3 2009-10-08 13:19:27

I recently spoke with someone who lives at Bay Pointe in one of the condos.   Apparently the golf course owners and the project manager held a public meeting for the neighbors the weekend before last. Her concern and the concern of those who live in the area is that the owners are going to sell the land to a developer. While the concept seems to be worthy, given the current real estate market, what if the land is sold to a developer and they are not able to pull together what the vision seems to be? A change is zoing will give a developer the ability to do whatever he wants and it may not be what the current vision is.
The condo owners certainly don't want the golf course owners to go out of business,but they do have some concerns about selling off to a developer with no guarantee of what will be developed.

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#4 2009-10-08 14:19:59

Good info. Thanks. It's good to know how the people who live there feel.

Now, what I heard the developer and lawyer say was that they are only asking for a zoning change now before they start the plans because that is so expensive. But they both said more than once, that they will then come back to the board with an actual plan and that they would not be able to do a thing without the ok from town. Change in zoning will not give the go ahead to do whatever they want.

That still seems to me to be pretty safe. As to the golf course, going out of business, that's another whole issue. And I don't know what to say other than would a hotel bring more people to Onset and the golf course? 

If you look at the video, they clearly said they were putting restrictions on themselves so that each and every stage would have to be ok'd. So, I don't think it is a carte blanche.

Of course, we didn't give the bos a carte blanche when we voted further study on Westfield, and they are already at the RFP stage.

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#5 2009-10-11 08:49:19

Yesterday evening, I got to see the information Bay Pointe is putting out to the public in regards to their project/vision..I came away somewhat impressed at what BP has envisioned for the property..Besides an upgrade to an already quality golf course, the plan includes the long awaited inn-conference center, residential condos, and elderly housing..

As a golfer, the plans for the course itself were appealing..as a
citizen of Wareham, there was an even better attraction: an increased tax base without the chance of our schools being overburdened due to increased enrollment..sounds like a plan doesn't it?

Finally, the thought of BP privately developing their land makes we wonder about the BOS and their agenda..I may seem jaded, but I do not trust any of our current board in terms of lining their own pockets at the expense of the taxpayers..Mr Gibson (owner of BP) has a wonderful vision  that could benefit the Town..unfortunately, it's hard for me to believe our BOS is capable of the same..

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#6 2009-10-11 09:35:26

THEY ARNT CABLE OF ANYTHING, REMEMBER BRUCES  SWIFT BEACHES  2 MILLION DOLLAR FIASCO, AND BRUCES AND BRENDAS UNDERFUNDING OF THE EMPLOYEE HEALTH CARE FUND , IF TOU CANT RUN  A  PIZZA JIONT AND IT FAILS  SO WILL THE  WAREHAM GOV FAIL ,I BELAVE  WE ARE BANKRUPT NOW  BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE OF THE PRESENT BOARD COVERING IT UP.

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